30 in 7 question

[great cornholio]

Wow I really wasnt expecting all of these answers so soon. Thats the great thing about flightinfo. You can find out anything. Well I guess its a good thing we didn't bet beer on deal cause I'd be out a case.

 

[Carl_Spackler]

8 between rest periods, 30/7, 100/month, 1000/year are ALL legal to start legal to finish. That is basic 121 regs

8 hours scheduled for a duty period is "legal to start legal to finish"

30/7, 100/month, 1000/year has to be calculated using the time that you've actually flown plus the time that you are scheduled to fly. It is calculated on a daily basis.

If you are scheduled for 100 hrs in a month and you fly over the scheduled time every day, you would not be legal to finish the month.

On a side note, in general regionals have such poor work rules that you need to be an expert in order to not get violated. Airlines with good work rules, the language is clear and restrictive enough that they don't have to worry about violating the FAR's

 

[Humty72]

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[Indypilot]

On a side note, in general regionals have such poor work rules that you need to be an expert in order to not get violated. Airlines with good work rules, the language is clear and restrictive enough that they don't have to worry about violating the FAR's

So I guess since the multiple round of concessions at these "real" arilines, and now that their work rules are generally the same or worse than the regionals, that all pilots should now be concerned.

 

[DetoXJ]

I'm surprised how many current 121 pilots don't understand these rule. Legal to start / Legal to finish DOES apply to 30/7 100/month and 1000/year and it goes on a day by day basis. If you are legal to start the day then you are legal to finish it. The only thing that goes leg by leg is your max duty period and your 24 hour lookback window to find legal rest.

 

[apdsm]

If you are legal to start the day then you are legal to finish it.

As long as you stay on the original pairing. If you are rerouted, then it is recomputed.

 

[Towelie]

8 hours scheduled for a duty period is "legal to start legal to finish"

30/7, 100/month, 1000/year has to be calculated using the time that you've actually flown plus the time that you are scheduled to fly. It is calculated on a daily basis.

No, Carl. It is still "legal to start, legal to finish." It just doesn't take effect until the duty period that will put you over. But it is still legal to start, legal to finish.

Go read the regs.

 

[FlyingDawg]

Maybe this will help!

http://cf.alpa.org/internet/Projects/FTDT/FTDT_Guide_6-A_Jeppesen.pdf

 

["GO AROUND"]

At ASA the company and contract wont let scheduling schedule you for more than 27.5 in 7 days. This is a buffer for the 30/7. I don't believe the legal to start legal to finish has to do with the day, it's leg based. You can't get half way through a 4 leg day with 28 hrs and start a round trip that is over 2 hours scheduled for the round trip. But if you were legal to start the leg and get held in flight then you can exceed the 30.

 

[chperplt]

You can't get half way through a 4 leg day with 28 hrs and start a round trip that is over 2 hours scheduled for the round trip. But if you were legal to start the leg and get held in flight then you can exceed the 30.

It is truly scary how many people currently flying 121 don't have a clue what the regs say...


By the way.... what you wrote... WRONG

 

[cobalt]

excellent flyingdawg.... now... will anyone actually read it??? page 6 for good 30/7 examples.

 

[Lequip]

At ASA the company and contract wont let scheduling schedule you for more than 27.5 in 7 days. This is a buffer for the 30/7. I don't believe the legal to start legal to finish has to do with the day, it's leg based. You can't get half way through a 4 leg day with 28 hrs and start a round trip that is over 2 hours scheduled for the round trip. But if you were legal to start the leg and get held in flight then you can exceed the 30.

What an IDIOT. And this guy is a Captain. SCARY! Get a clue you dumba$$. You couldn't be more wrong. This is Indoc 101 crap that even the Gulfstream punks know.

 

[Skybound737]

Legal to start Legat to finish...period. not very complicated unless you mind f$ck it to death. Its about scheduling and duty times...not flight time.

 

[bluesideup1]

Here is the answer to the questions:




Yes legal to start legal to finish on the last duty day only. Exceed that on any day before and flying must be pulled. Usually for me crew scheduling would pull a nice round trip in the middle of my sequence rather than the end and leave me with multiple hours of airport appreciation time as I wait to rejoin my schedule.




The most frequently asked questions concerning the application of the yearly, monthly and
weekly flight time limitations are posed in the following examples:

Q-1. A flight crew member is scheduled to fly five hours per day for six days.
Prior to starting the schedule on the sixth day, the flight time has been
extended by two hours due to weather. Is the crewmember “legal” to begin
the last day’s scheduled flight knowing that he/she will exceed 30 hours of
flight time before completing the flight schedule?

A-1. No, the crewmember may not complete all of the scheduled flights
on the sixth day since he/she would be scheduled to exceed 30 hours
of flight within seven consecutive days. However, the crewmember
may fly a portion of the schedule up to 30 hours, or be rescheduled
to fly up to 30 hours, which in this example would allow the carrier
to schedule the crewmember for three hours of flight on the sixth
day.

Q-2. A flight crewmember is scheduled to fly five hours each day for six days
and has met the schedule for the first five days. During the first flight of this
series-of-flights on the sixth day the pilot exceeds his/her schedule by one
hour due to an ATC delay. Is the crewmember “legal” to complete the
schedule knowing that he/she will exceed the 30-hour flight time limit?

A-2. Yes. In this example when the crewmember began the last day of
the scheduled series-of-flights, he/she was legally scheduled and
could complete the flights and not exceed 30 hours. Because the
delay was caused by circumstances beyond the control of the air
carrier, FAR 121.471(g) provides the necessary relief to exceed 30
hours in this circumstance.



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[PropsR4Boats]

The guys in OKC don't care about all the legal to start legal to finish what nots. If you have a documented exceedence your in trouble. What some of you are suggesting is that...Jan 1st I'm not scheduled to fly more than 1000 hours this year, in fact I've only got on month scheduled for 90 hrs. I must be legal to fly the rest of the year no matter what huh? So you flew 1500 hrs in a year? Try explaining that to the administrative judge in OKC. Don't go over 30/7 or 34/7 100/year 120/yr what ever part you fall under. Just some advice from the guys in OKC, take or leave it.