2400 nm range

[BoilerUP]

He's not telling the truth on that.

He's not lying; CDD balanced field length assumes not only standard day/sea level, but max gross takeoff weight. Hell, Embraer's own website shows the Legacy 600 to have a TOFL of 5614' at MTOW, sea level, ISA.

So while you might be able to depart his 4800' airport at 45k lbs (at what temp?) in a Legacy 600, that doesn't change the fact that a max weight takeoff from a sea level airport at 15°C requires more than 5600' of runway.

Why a midsize Sovereign is being compared to a large-cabin Legacy anyway is beyond me...you don't hear G200 or Lear 60 pilots getting all defensive when talking about runway performance...

 

[spxdriver]

He's not telling the truth on that.

I can go out of his home airport of 4,800' at 45,000 lbs. He just makes up stuff because nobody will care or bother to try and catch him on it.

If you want the data I have send me your email address and you can make fun of it all you like.

LD, for your own sake, please stop making an idiot out of yourself.

If you want to learn more about the airplane that you claim to know inside and out, refer to the below URLs. You'll see the BFL is nowhere near what you claim.

5741' mentioned on page 13.

http://www.businessairinternational.com/sales inventory/legacy650/pdf/Legacy 650 brochure.pdf

Other sources:
5551' mentioned on page 2
http://www.empire.aero/pdf/embraer_legacy_600.pdf

5887' mentioned on the bottom
http://www.genav.com/AircraftInfoSheets/Embraer/Legacy+600.html

So, LD, do you want to keep saying that I am making things up, or are you ready to concede that while I can cite hard facts and sources, you cannot?

 

[LegacyDriver]

He's not lying; CDD balanced field length assumes not only standard day/sea level, but max gross takeoff weight. Hell, Embraer's own website shows the Legacy 600 to have a TOFL of 5614' at MTOW, sea level, ISA.

Yes I realize that. I saw the "that assumes" part.

We are not talking about that.

He claims the airplane cannot go out of a 4,800' runway.

It can.

So while you might be able to depart his 4800' airport at 45k lbs (at what temp?) in a Legacy 600, that doesn't change the fact that a max weight takeoff from a sea level airport at 15°C requires more than 5600' of runway.

I agree. Although APG may say something different.

Did I not say earlier that at MGTOW and 100 degrees F the BFL was 6000' ?

His claim is I can't go out of his home airport with any useful range. I'm saying I can.

Why a midsize Sovereign is being compared to a large-cabin Legacy anyway is beyond me...you don't hear G200 or Lear 60 pilots getting all defensive when talking about runway performance...

I agree with you. Just get the Sovereign and be done with it. Not the same airplane.

 

[LegacyDriver]

LD, for your own sake, please stop making an idiot out of yourself.

If you want to learn more about the airplane that you claim to know inside and out, refer to the below URLs. You'll see the BFL is nowhere near what you claim.

(...)

So, LD, do you want to keep saying that I am making things up, or are you ready to concede that while I can cite hard facts and sources, you cannot?

Do I need to cite my post that said, "BFL at SL 100 degrees F is approximately 6000 feet" ?

From a week ago:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showpost.php?p=2127011&postcount=23

FL410 capable. Sea Level max weight takeoff BFL at 100 degrees F is 6000' which gets you 3450NM (Legacy 600) or 3900NM (Legacy 650). BFL to go 2400 NM is significantly shorter for both planes.

The question was whether or not I could get the airplane to go 2500 NM out of your 4,800' runway. I have proven that it can. It doesn't need 5,600' to go 2,500 NM out of your airport. That was the point.

I never said it could go out of there at MTOW.

Stop changing the argument.

 

[spxdriver]

while you might be able to depart his 4800' airport at 45k lbs (at what temp?) in a Legacy 600, that doesn't change the fact that a max weight takeoff from a sea level airport at 15°C requires more than 5600' of runway.

My home airport is 331'. Considering the sea level numbers, anyone can assume how much runway would be required just a few hundred feet above sea level. Temps usually range between 15 and 25 degrees C.

Clue for LD - It's not less runway than sea level, but instead, likely slightly more.

Why a midsize Sovereign is being compared to a large-cabin Legacy anyway is beyond me...you don't hear G200 or Lear 60 pilots getting all defensive when talking about runway performance...

It's being compared because LD has foolishly said that the legacy has longer legs out of 4800' than the Sovereign (or virtually any other
airplane....)

 

[LegacyDriver]

It's being compared because LD has foolishly said that the legacy has longer legs out of 4800' than the Sovereign (or virtually any other
airplane....)

Are you on drugs dude? Seriously?

I did not say that one time. Again you are lying man. Stop doing that. It is silly.

The question was could the Legacy go 2,500 NM out of 4,200 - 4,800 feet of runway. I used your home airport as an example and ran the numbers on APG. Roughly 45,000# depending on temperature etc., more than enough to go 2,500 NM.

 

[spxdriver]

The question was whether or not I could get the airplane to go 2500 NM out of your 4,800' runway. I have proven that it can. It doesn't need 5,600' to go 2,500 NM out of your airport. That was the point.

You say it can. Embraer performance data says it cannot. The pilots who flew out of our airport with the Legacy while it was based there said it cannot. Who is right?

 

[BoilerUP]

LD, you still have Legacy APG data?

If so, just for grins, I'd be curious to see how it does landing & departing HXD.

 

[LegacyDriver]

LD, you still have Legacy APG data?

If so, just for grins, I'd be curious to see how it does landing & departing HXD.

I'd be glad to look it up for you. Any temp in particular?

 

[spxdriver]

Are you on drugs dude? Seriously?

I did not say that one time. Again you are lying man. Stop doing that. It is silly.

You told me that as recently as yesterday while I had the pleasure of speaking to you on the phone.

The question was could the Legacy go 2,500 NM out of 4,200 - 4,800 feet of runway. I used your home airport as an example and ran the numbers on APG. Roughly 45,000# depending on temperature etc., more than enough to go 2,500 NM.

Whatever you say. You're beyond insane LD. I have no more desire to go back and forth with you. It's pointless. No matter what facts are provided you argue