2400 nm range

[LegacyDriver]

It's being compared because LD has foolishly said that the legacy has longer legs out of 4800' than the Sovereign (or virtually any other
airplane....)

Are you on drugs dude? Seriously?

I did not say that one time. Again you are lying man. Stop doing that. It is silly.

The question was could the Legacy go 2,500 NM out of 4,200 - 4,800 feet of runway. I used your home airport as an example and ran the numbers on APG. Roughly 45,000# depending on temperature etc., more than enough to go 2,500 NM.

 

[spxdriver]

The question was whether or not I could get the airplane to go 2500 NM out of your 4,800' runway. I have proven that it can. It doesn't need 5,600' to go 2,500 NM out of your airport. That was the point.

You say it can. Embraer performance data says it cannot. The pilots who flew out of our airport with the Legacy while it was based there said it cannot. Who is right?

 

[BoilerUP]

LD, you still have Legacy APG data?

If so, just for grins, I'd be curious to see how it does landing & departing HXD.

 

[LegacyDriver]

LD, you still have Legacy APG data?

If so, just for grins, I'd be curious to see how it does landing & departing HXD.

I'd be glad to look it up for you. Any temp in particular?

 

[spxdriver]

Are you on drugs dude? Seriously?

I did not say that one time. Again you are lying man. Stop doing that. It is silly.

You told me that as recently as yesterday while I had the pleasure of speaking to you on the phone.

The question was could the Legacy go 2,500 NM out of 4,200 - 4,800 feet of runway. I used your home airport as an example and ran the numbers on APG. Roughly 45,000# depending on temperature etc., more than enough to go 2,500 NM.

Whatever you say. You're beyond insane LD. I have no more desire to go back and forth with you. It's pointless. No matter what facts are provided you argue

 

[BoilerUP]

1600lbs payload, 1000nm segment + 100nm alternate fuel, 30°C. Can it do it? What about wet?

Also, can it land there with 1600lb payload & 100nm alternate fuel, on a wet runway, using 80% factored distance?

 

[LegacyDriver]

You told me that as recently as yesterday while I had the pleasure of speaking to you on the phone.

Please. I never said that ever. We were discussing wet footprint going to Hawaii out of Carlsbad, CA and I said, "So what if the 600 can't go there out of your airport? Just stop and get gas. HOWEVER, the 650 probably CAN go to Hawaii from your airport. I don't have any data on it but I'm betting it will do it." I've not run the numbers for either airplane on that scenario so I can only presume/guess: Legacy 600 no, Legacy 650 maybe.

Once again, you are making things up. I just quoted myself saying MTOW BFL is just over 6000' at Sea Level and 100 degrees F. Why would I then claim it has max range out of 4800' at a higher elevation? I never said it. Not once.

Whatever you say. You're beyond insane LD. I have no more desire to go back and forth with you. It's pointless. No matter what facts are provided you argue

I'm glad you're done arguing. Let's see if you are a man of your word and actually do stay quiet now. Your sense of honor and honesty is lacking in this discussion I'm afraid, so I won't count on it.

 

[jonjuan]

BFL obviously changes with weight.

Legacy 600 can depart out of his home airport with a BFL of 4,800' at over 45,000 lbs (MTOW is 49,604, BOW is about 29,500). He just makes up stuff or ignores subtle details because nobody will care or bother to try and catch him on it.

LOL- that's like saying you can drive a golf ball 300 yards.....From the ladies tees.

 

[LegacyDriver]

1600lbs payload, 1000nm segment + 100nm alternate fuel, 30°C. Can it do it? What about wet?

Also, can it land there with 1600lb payload & 100nm alternate fuel, on a wet runway, using 80% factored distance?

I will check. Gotta' borrow a login. Mine isn't working.

My instinct would be yes but who knows? I'm apparently always wrong. Embraer's marketing stuff is showing 4 Pax to go 1000 NM with Reserve you need about 3800' of runway at SL, ISA. 4300' says 2500 NM, again SL, ISA. They say "Takeoff Field Length" and not specifically "Balanced Field Length."

I don't have wet takeoff data available only landing.

 

[LegacyDriver]

LOL- that's like saying you can drive a golf ball 300 yards.....From the ladies tees.

Now *THAT* is funny.

:beer:

 

[LegacyDriver]

1600lbs payload, 1000nm segment + 100nm alternate fuel, 30°C. Can it do it? What about wet?

Also, can it land there with 1600lb payload & 100nm alternate fuel, on a wet runway, using 80% factored distance?

Disregard. I'm still putting the numbers together. Hit submit by accident.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Let's see if this is any better.

Again I am getting this second hand through the phone. I will run the numbers myself for you tomorrow.

Based on today's Conditions a Legacy 600 (again, may be incorrect):

KHXT - KMSP 959 NM
30 Deg C
Max Allowable TOW: 38,815#
BOW: 29,700#
Available Payload (Fuel and Pax): 9,115#
Fuel: 6,855#
(I didn't ask if this included Reserve or was just burn with winds, sorry. Also didn't get a block time. Embraer says 4,950# -- 5,200# including taxi --to go 1,000 NM with 8 PAX at Max Cruise so YMMV.)
Payload Remaining: 2,260#
Pax: 1,600#
Tanker/Reserve: 660#

If the burn number to KMSP is 5,200# chock to chock that leaves you with 2,315# reserve overhead. NBAA IFR Reserve is 1,785#.

However, I could have something screwed up and maybe it doesn't even have a chance of doing it. I will post an updated set of numbers tomorrow when I can input the values myself to give an answer I am 100% secure in, good or bad.

Based on this output the answer might be no. I just don't know what altitude he ran the numbers at, etc.. Bud of mine in a hurry. Sorry. This info is likely all garbage. Probably adds little to the discussion. My apologies.

It is close though. The Legacy 650 would do it for sure.

 

[BoilerUP]

I appreciate you checking that for me LD, especially since you had to go through a 3rd party...thanks.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I appreciate you checking that for me LD, especially since you had to go through a 3rd party...thanks.

Any time, sir. I will try to get better numbers and the other stuff you asked for tomorrow.

Cheers.

 

[Lear70]

Post deleted by request of Original Poster (OP) as a one-time professional courtesy.

Regards,

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