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[LegacyDriver]

That's the point.....does not sound like it was designed for much aside for moving animals from Cleveland to Newark at 27,000ft in a noisy cabin.

You are obviously referring to the CRJ, not the ERJ.

"gonna need the high and hot tires today guys..."

Never had this issue out of MMTO or Aspen etc in the ultra fine Dassault product (or any corporate jet?).....even with the regular standard issue tires!!!

Are you really this clueless or are you just pulling my leg again?

First of all he was referring to the XR not the Legacy on the 200 knot ground roll thing. Totally different situation.

The standard ERJ tires work fine for any airport up to 8,500 feet. Above that you have a different nose tire. The airlines don't use that one because they're more expensive and not needed for what they do every day. The "high-altitude" (for lack of a better term) tire is considered "standard" on a Legacy.

As for the rest. The Falcon 50 has one hell of a fast ground roll high and hot with a slats-only takeoff and often the issue becomes brake energy. Can I get it to stop if I need to? The mighty EMB doesn't have that problem. Standard tires or otherwise I *KNOW* the Embraer will stop on a dime if I have to abort. Falcon? With those puny little bicycle tires? *Insert Eye Roll Here*

Bring on your wimpy Dassault, bro. The EMB does 15 legs a day without even trying. You are lucky to do that in month. An ERJ or a Legacy can and will do 100 legs while your tinkertoy is broken in the shop.

 

[spxdriver]

Bring on your wimpy Dassault, bro. The EMB does 15 legs a day without even trying. You are lucky to do that in month. An ERJ or a Legacy can and will do 100 legs while your tinkertoy is broken in the shop.

I'm sitting in KOAK and looking at a Legacy on the ramp with mechanics around it with what appears to be a flap malfunction. Line guys say that it's been here since yesterday evening and waiting for parts. Doesn't look like it's going to be doing 15 legs today...

Meanwhile, a Falcon 900, Hawker, and Citation X just departed...

 

[spxdriver]

BTW LD -- the numbers that you gave me yesterday regarding the dispatch reliability of the Legacy were incorrect. Contrary to your belief, the Legacy doesn't have a 99.95% dispatch reliability. It is ranked at 99.7%, which is lower than fourteen other corporate jets that are currently produced. Before you try to argue about reality, again, reference this site for dispatch reliability. http://www.stratosjets.com/aircraft/Legacy-600

The balanced field length of the Legacy, as reported by C&D is 5,614 feet. This assumes standard temperature and sea level. A far cry from the "under 4,500 feet" you've reported.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Whatever, spx. Whatever makes you happy, bro.

You tried to cite numbers for a Flaps 22 takeoff for the Legacy yet we don't have one. Then tried to say I sent you those numbers when I didn't. You cited wet runway data that doesn't exist based on what you have available as well.

Stratos is just posting a round number they repeated from an article written years ago by Clay Lacy where he cited "99.7%" as the reliability for the Legacy. The actual Legacy dispatch reliability rate is 99.967%.

Weren't you the guy lecturing me about anecdotal evidence just yesterday?

 

[spxdriver]

Whatever, spx. Whatever.

You tried to cite numbers for a Flaps 22 takeoff for the Legacy yet we don't have one. Then tried to say I sent you those numbers when I didn't. You cited wet runway data that doesn't exist based on what you have available as well.

All incorrect; The wet runway data that I have came from you (which you claimed to get from Embraer) over two years ago when you were trying to prove to me that it can go in and out of 4600' "all day long."

99.967% is the number as well.

Ok, so everyone but you is wrong...again

Weren't you the guy lecturing me about anecdotal evidence just yesterday?

Nope. Can't seem to recall that. Maybe that was Glenn?

 

[LegacyDriver]

All incorrect; The wet runway data that I have came from you (which you claimed to get from Embraer) over two years ago when you were trying to prove to me that it can go in and out of 4600' "all day long."

That's a lie. You cited "the QRH" for a "Flaps 22 Takeoff Wet Runway Anti-Ice On" which does not exist. We do not have a 22 takeoff in the Legacy. You also referenced a QRH page number that is 20 pages beyond the last page number of the data I sent.

In addition, you stated you got it "from the EMBRAER salesman."

In any event you did not get it from me. I have no such data on hand for wet runway takeoffs and the version of ERAS I have (2.0) does not have it either.

 

[spxdriver]

That's a lie. You cited "the QRH" for a "Flaps 22 Takeoff Wet Runway Anti-Ice On" which does not exist. We do not have a 22 takeoff in the Legacy. You also referenced a QRH page number that is 20 pages beyond the last page number of the data I sent.

In addition, you stated you got it "from the EMBRAER salesman."

In any event you did not get it from me. I have no such data on hand for wet runway takeoffs and the version of ERAS I have (2.0) does not have it either.

Sorry LD, no more time to argue with you... I've got to go fly.

But don't forget that you told me "I can't find the data that I sent you. I dug through my entire house and I can't find the zippered bag that has my EMB performance CD."

The info that I have came from you, and you claim that you got it from the EMB sales team, who supposedly tried to recruit you to sell it.

Remember LD, the Legacy doesn't have to be perfect. You don't have to take the Legacy's imperfections personally. Even if it IS a POS, it doesn't matter - it's what earned you paycheck. Try not to lose touch with reality.

 

[jonjuan]

The balanced field length of the Legacy, as reported by C&D is 5,614 feet. This assumes standard temperature and sea level. A far cry from the "under 4,500 feet" you've reported.

That's even scarier than the 200 KTs on the runway.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Sorry LD, no more time to argue with you... I've got to go fly.

But don't forget that you told me "I can't find the data that I sent you. I dug through my entire house and I can't find the zippered bag that has my EMB performance CD."

Incorrect. I found it while we were on the phone. I asked you to cite the reference and went to it with my data. That reference does not exist. Caught in a lie, you then claimed it came from EMBRAER when you were shopping for a new jet to replace your old one. You also promised to bring me a copy "when I see you next week."

You cited a Flaps 22 takeoff. No data that I have *EVER* sent you has a Flaps 22 takeoff in it for a Legacy. NONE.

Enough already, man.

The info that I have came from you, and you claim that you got it from the EMB sales team, who supposedly tried to recruit you to sell it.

No it did not. There is no data such that you claim to have. Not in my possession.

Remember LD, the Legacy doesn't have to be perfect. You don't have to take the Legacy's imperfections personally. Even if it IS a POS, it doesn't matter - it's what earned you paycheck. Try not to lose touch with reality.

The only thing I take personally is a supposed friend telling lies in public to get his kicks. That's not cool.

If the EMB is such a POS you should be able to defeat it with the facts alone and not have to resort to making up stuff.

 

[LegacyDriver]

That's even scarier than the 200 KTs on the runway.

BFL obviously changes with weight.

Legacy 600 can depart out of his home airport with a BFL of 4,800' at over 45,000 lbs (MTOW is 49,604, BOW is about 29,500). He just makes up stuff or ignores subtle details because nobody will care or bother to try and catch him on it.

If you want the data I have send me your email address and you can make fun of it all you like.