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COOPERVANE

COOPERVANE

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I'd just like to get the opinion of pilots at Delta about the recent new hires. Especially Delta Captains

I personally know of 4-5 new hires from ASA of the female persuasion. I'm sure there are more. I don't have any problems with gender, and I get it that certain boxes have to be checked off but come on.

As a regional Captain that had to tolerate the 600 hour wonders I flew with a few years ago, I am wondering if you guys know/care about what is heading your way? I flew with one of these pilots and I really don't know what to say. No personality, no skills.

My problem is that AT LEAST 2 or three have ZERO PIC in anything larger than a Seminole. One has around 2000 hours. Is that the safest decision for your passengers? Why are so many qualified pilots being weeded out to hire these folks?

Well, at least two of them are history making aviators with recognition in the Smithsonian.

The last hiring wave at Delta, I heard of a couple FO's who were hired, but THIS time it seems the a large percentage are low PIC time females. Anything to do with the flowthrough? How do you Captains feel knowing the experience level coming your way?
 
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COOPERVANE said:
I'd just like to get the opinion of pilots at Delta about the recent new hires. Especially Delta Captains

I personally know of 4-5 new hires from ASA of the female persuasion. I'm sure there are more. I don't have any problems with gender, and I get it that certain boxes have to be checked off but come on.

As a regional Captain that had to tolerate the 600 hour wonders I flew with a few years ago, I am wondering if you guys know/care about what is heading your way? I flew with one of these pilots and I really don't know what to say. No personality, no skills.

My problem is that AT LEAST 2 or three have ZERO PIC in anything larger than a Seminole. One has around 2000 hours. Is that the safest decision for your passengers? Why are so many qualified pilots being weeded out to hire these folks?

Well, at least two of them are history making aviators with recognition in the Smithsonian.

The last hiring wave at Delta, I heard of a couple FO's who were hired, but THIS time it seems the a large percentage are low PIC time females. Anything to do with the flowthrough? How do you Captains feel knowing the experience level coming your way?
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Are Delta passengers not currently flown by those same FOs on ASA planes?
 
HR took away the hiring from Flight ops....to answer your "question".

I've noticed it in our lounges. Lots of younger faces of the skirt persuasion. Actually, it's welcome!!
 
BILL LUMBERG said:
HR took away the hiring from Flight ops....to answer your "question".
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is that good, bad or irrelevant?

I've noticed it in our lounges. Lots of younger faces of the skirt persuasion. Actually, it's welcome!!
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The 1990s United reputation?
 
Fly-By-Cable said:
Are Delta passengers not currently flown by those same FOs on ASA planes?
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LOL- it's the blame game. If I'm not mistaken, everyone goes thru the same interview with CAs, technical, and computer test. I think most people would rather be flown by someone with 3,000 hours 121 glass over 4 years versus 1,500 f16 over 8 years, not that it really matters as they are hiring people to be fo's and not ca's.
Trg not to beat your wife over your entitlement.
 
jonjuan said:
LOL- it's the blame game. If I'm not mistaken, everyone goes thru the same interview with CAs, technical, and computer test. I think most people would rather be flown by someone with 3,000 hours 121 glass over 4 years versus 1,500 f16 over 8 years, not that it really matters as they are hiring people to be fo's and not ca's.
Trg not to beat your wife over your entitlement.
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There you go thinking again....try not to hurt yourself.
 
On the day of my interview this summer, Delta hired two young Regional FOs who had never been a Captain, and had Zero PIC, while sending away several high time RJ captains and Military instructor pilots who had tons of experience. One of the two low time FOs was female, and both seemed like solid people.

My take on it is that hours and experience are not nearly as important as finding a wide variety of good people. Of course, it's easier for me to say that since I was hired! Had I not been, I'm sure I would see it as a flawed system.
 
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I don't even have 2000 but I'm pretty sure being a military guy I won't have a problem. But military hours are of higher quality. At least some of my Delta buddies told me that's what the company thinks.
 
jonjuan said:
LOL- it's the blame game. If I'm not mistaken, everyone goes thru the same interview with CAs, technical, and computer test. I think most people would rather be flown by someone with 3,000 hours 121 glass over 4 years versus 1,500 f16 over 8 years, not that it really matters as they are hiring people to be fo's and not ca's.
Trg not to beat your wife over your entitlement.
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I'd have to say that I disagree. Anyone flying an F-16 in the military not only completed military flight school, (which is great training), but also completed fighter tactical training, which has a very high fail out rate. This shows that the applicant is sharp and has well above average airmanship abilities, thus do well in 121 training.
 
This all reminds me of the United joke back in the day........

UAL: "United XXX looking for a shortcut."

Unknown AC : "Just be patient sweetie, your whole career has been a shortcut."


Gup
 
I have not applied.

Military time can not be compared with pilot mill trained 2000 hour wonders. Some of these places are a joke.

I just don't understand why highly competent, experienced pilots (way more than me) are bypassed for these people.
 
I don't care if they have 2000 hours or 10,000 hours; if they can't fly, get 'em outta there. I know many 20,000 hour guys who fly worse than their 3000 hour counterparts.
 
Tanker Clown said:
I don't even have 2000 but I'm pretty sure being a military guy I won't have a problem. But military hours are of higher quality. At least some of my Delta buddies told me that's what the company thinks.
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Sooooooooo flying a 40 year old tanker on autopilot is of higher quality than flying a modern EFIS RJ on autopilot? Please explain this should be interesting. You might want to get over yourself, and pass that on to your "Delta buddies"(Thanks for your service though) Oh yeah, how may days have you flown 7 legs in the weather, in the northeast corridor while in the military?

PS. Fighter time does NOT make you a good airline pilot. It makes you a good fighter pilot.
 
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Sooooooooo flying a 40 year old tanker on autopilot is of higher quality than flying a modern EFIS RJ on autopilot? Please explain this should be interesting. You might want to get over yourself (Thanks for your service though)

PS. Fighter time does NOT make you a good airline pilot. It makes you a good fighter pilot.
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Blasphemy!!!
 
Tanker Clown said:
I don't even have 2000 but I'm pretty sure being a military guy I won't have a problem. But military hours are of higher quality. At least some of my Delta buddies told me that's what the company thinks.
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But your personality will be what kills you Tanker.....!!

You are one of MANY who came through the military here and most won't buy your act as being humble.
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
is that good, bad or irrelevant?

The 1990s United reputation?
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Naww...my point being...seeing chicks in the lounge is better than the gay Navy Locker room setup we have now.....not that there's anything wrong with that:laugh:!!
 
Once you get to the interview the job is yours to lose. Having said that the success rate varied from 60-70% in 2007 to somewhere a bit lower during this last round (or so I'm told.)

A number of things can take the job offer off the table: Cog skills test, knowledge tests, panel interview, psychological testing, visit with the pyschiatrist, and (rarely) the medical exam.

One would think that an ex-fighter pilot would be able to comfortably navigate through those hurdles more easily than a 2000-hr RJ wonderchild, and that may very well be the case -- until one has access to the statistics (which an outsider never will) this thread is based on rumor and hearsay.

How one gets the interview is one matter. But don't assume anyone gets preferntial treatment during the interview process. They've turned down the children of CP's and senior captains in the past.
 
m80drvr,

I'm a known quantity to Delta. They know what they're getting. If I was coming from some RJ outfit I'm a wildcard. I'm sure they'd rather have me and my 1725 hours than that captian at Colgan.
 
Trainability and likeability are the primary traits which gets you hired. This can be achieved just the same through diversity (random backgrounds) hiring. Females, RJs, Military, 135, 91, etc. You can find competent airman in each of these groups within the flight hour minimums.
 
TC you are a known quantity to everybody on here. You are a goofball with very little TOAD time, I would rather a regional Capt than you. Your 1725 hours are drone time and you never would have made it through UPT if you had come through when I was an instructor, I assure you. Attitude cases washed out first!!
 
jonjuan said:
LOL- it's the blame game. If I'm not mistaken, everyone goes thru the same interview with CAs, technical, and computer test. I think most people would rather be flown by someone with 3,000 hours 121 glass over 4 years versus 1,500 f16 over 8 years, not that it really matters as they are hiring people to be fo's and not ca's.
Trg not to beat your wife over your entitlement.
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In about 9 out of 10 cases, I'd rather be flown by the 1500 hr F16 guy.

Let's say both pilots in the above example have the same amount of natural flying ability. The training that the viper guy has been through has no equal in the civilian world. He may have some catching up to do with the glass guy in training, but will soon be outpacing him as soon as IOE. If the Viper guy can stay ahead of a single seat jet as a mission commander of a package (sts) on a red flag sortie or in actual combat, he can stay ahead of an Airbus 320 into DTW in poor wx.
 
Tanker Clown said:
m80drvr,

I'm a known quantity to Delta. They know what they're getting. If I was coming from some RJ outfit I'm a wildcard. I'm sure they'd rather have me and my 1725 hours than that captian at Colgan.
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So you'd leave SWA to come over to the big D? Good choice dude! Get back to the heavy metal that you deserve. :)
 

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