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20 year 747 FO makes $86/hr is latest at Kalitta
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Yeah, it does not look good on paper, BUT a senior Kalitta can make 15 to 20K if he works overtime and stays on the road for the month.
As for 20 year F/Os...Well, in theory that could happen at a stagnant major...With no expansion and no hireing Pan Am had some 20 year F/Os, with Kalitta I don't see it happening due to expansion, turnover, retirements, etc.
How does the amount of posts tell if he is "baiting" or not?
I have had thoughts of Kalitta. They may have had their problems but who has not. Would you not go to BA because they flew a 747 w/ 3 engines half way across the WORLD? Back in the day USAir had their problems( runway excursions). Hell an UAL crew almost flew a 747 into a mountain. Ual almost ran there bizness in the ground..
Most everyone has a legit opinion but a few just like to flame. Pick out those people and IGNORE them.
I have had thoughts of Kalitta. They may have had their problems but who has not. Would you not go to BA because they flew a 747 w/ 3 engines half way across the WORLD? Back in the day USAir had their problems( runway excursions). Hell an UAL crew almost flew a 747 into a mountain. Ual almost ran there bizness in the ground..
Most everyone has a legit opinion but a few just like to flame. Pick out those people and IGNORE them.
Aye, so the kraut is flame baiting?
He did not light my fire, I don't work for Kalitta and never have.
Been flying Saudi Hajes alongside those guys and have a few friends over there.
Just like the other scum-bag non-scheds, it is not a good place to work, nor a bad place to work.....It is a job with a pay-check for christ sake.,,
Ask the Pan-Am guys, ask the Eastern guys, ask the Braniff guys, the Midway guys, etc, etc.....Thousands of them guys lost everything and had to file personal bankruptcy..They could not carry a credit card for 7 years...
Connie Kalitta and similar firms would look pretty good while on the un-employment line.
Been there, done that and I respect the Kalitta dudes for working long and hard hours hauling freight across the planet...Not sure I would raise my glass and salute arseholes like Lufthansa 727...Propably spit in his face and drink instead.
He did not light my fire, I don't work for Kalitta and never have.
Been flying Saudi Hajes alongside those guys and have a few friends over there.
Just like the other scum-bag non-scheds, it is not a good place to work, nor a bad place to work.....It is a job with a pay-check for christ sake.,,
Ask the Pan-Am guys, ask the Eastern guys, ask the Braniff guys, the Midway guys, etc, etc.....Thousands of them guys lost everything and had to file personal bankruptcy..They could not carry a credit card for 7 years...
Connie Kalitta and similar firms would look pretty good while on the un-employment line.
Been there, done that and I respect the Kalitta dudes for working long and hard hours hauling freight across the planet...Not sure I would raise my glass and salute arseholes like Lufthansa 727...Propably spit in his face and drink instead.
Hmm, I was there 18 years ago..Twin Otter captain for Eastrn Metro Express, $20.00 per hour..Guarantee of 80 hours..That would be $1,600.00 per month.
Don't remember any per-diem..We had no lay-overs.
Working overtime I would occasonally make $2K per month or more...As in 100 to 120 hours per month with no autopilot or air-conditon.
Not complaining however, that was the last job before getting into big jets.
All of a sudden there was work-rules and autopilots and medical/dental and more...
CSY Mon said:Just like the other scum-bag non-scheds, it is not a good place to work, nor a bad place to work.....It is a job with a pay-check for christ sake.,,
Ask the Pan-Am guys, ask the Eastern guys, ask the Braniff guys, the Midway guys, etc, etc.....Thousands of them guys lost everything and had to file personal bankruptcy..They could not carry a credit card for 7 years...
Connie Kalitta and similar firms would look pretty good while on the un-employment line.
No offense but this commentary makes me feel like an idiot for trying to pursue this career.
He-he..Welcome to the real world.
I was an idiot too a few years ago:
I was chasing the "good" jobs and all that.
After being fired and furloughed a few times, then gettin good jobs, promoted and furlughed, hired and promoted and furloughed again and again, I finally gave up and just said to hell with it...
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The last TA proposed pay scales..
As for the question of FO pay at Kalitta you are correct it is $86.00 an hour on the top end, which I believe stands at year 8.. correct me if I'm wrong. However, one of the few good changes on the last TA was the FO pay scale. I believe it went up to 20 years and was at a 2/3 scale with the captains. Again, I do not have my copy of the TA in hand, but these are my recollections. As for the question of how to pay an FO or Captain in this industry. Depending on how you want to look at it, this industry has paid pilots by in large (and yes I undestand there will be exceptions) by the size and the level of responsibility, as well as, the overall gross revenue that pilot helps to generate. The Union Reps. are currently working through the last rejected TA with the company to change the language. My understanding is the union is pushing to leave the pay scale in tact while changing those issues the pilot surveys found to be key in rejecting the contract. If my information is wrong then please correct me, but this is to the best of my knowledge. The first meeting back at the negotiations left much to be desired, however, we are standing by with the understanding that the contract we have now is better than what was just proposed a few months prior. And with that said, we wish our guy's at the negotiating table the very best!
As for the question of FO pay at Kalitta you are correct it is $86.00 an hour on the top end, which I believe stands at year 8.. correct me if I'm wrong. However, one of the few good changes on the last TA was the FO pay scale. I believe it went up to 20 years and was at a 2/3 scale with the captains. Again, I do not have my copy of the TA in hand, but these are my recollections. As for the question of how to pay an FO or Captain in this industry. Depending on how you want to look at it, this industry has paid pilots by in large (and yes I undestand there will be exceptions) by the size and the level of responsibility, as well as, the overall gross revenue that pilot helps to generate. The Union Reps. are currently working through the last rejected TA with the company to change the language. My understanding is the union is pushing to leave the pay scale in tact while changing those issues the pilot surveys found to be key in rejecting the contract. If my information is wrong then please correct me, but this is to the best of my knowledge. The first meeting back at the negotiations left much to be desired, however, we are standing by with the understanding that the contract we have now is better than what was just proposed a few months prior. And with that said, we wish our guy's at the negotiating table the very best!
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