2 -v- 1 (close call with a Viper)

[bagasticks]

MIL Pilot: You want MOA access?
CIV Pilot: I think I'm entitled to it.
MIL Pilot: You want access?
CIV Pilot: I want the truth!
MIL Pilot: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has MOAs. And those MOAs have to be flown by men with F-16s. Who's gonna do it? You, Pilatus? You, Beech Premier? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep responding to TCAS RAs and you curse the awesome F-16. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that at M .95, while tragic, I can’t see jack in a MOA. And my shadowing, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, waste tax dollars...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at FBO pilot lounges, you want me on that MOA. You need me on that MOA.
We use words like our airspace, we rock, civilians suck...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a democratic society that rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you strap on a F-16 and fly a MOA. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!
CIV Pilot: Did you fantasize shooting down the Pilatus?
MIL Pilot: (quietly) I did the job you sent me to do.
CIV Pilot: Did you get a woodie?
MIL Pilot: You're goddamn right I did!!

That my friend, was funny ! ! !

 

[JungleJett]

He wrote that while transiting an active MOA in his F-172....just because he can.

 

[bagasticks]

"Monitor Vertical Speed"

 

[Mason]

For some of us in certain fields like aerial firefighting, and for those in EMS flying, we do not really have the luxury of steering around MOAs.

And aerial mapping and surveying

 

[Mamma]

And aerial mapping and surveying

We actually check to see if fire-fighting or other aerial events are going on before we start work in a MOA or low level route. As far as aerial mapping and surveying, you have ample time before hand to check and see if a MOA is active and then proceed with the knowledge of what you might encounter. Its all planning. If you fail to plan then you might get surprised like the Pilatus guy.

 

[Mamma]

double post

 

[cjdriver]

Just read an FAA advisory that says charts will now contain numbers and frequencies for controlling facilities of MOA's so pilots can determine active floors and times. Should help reduce conflicts for those interested in doing so.

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

As a former Military Pilot, there is no reason to jeopardize your career in an attempt to go "air to Air" with a single engine, civilian airplane which is flying straight and level, and does'nt know where you are...exactly. Forget MOA vs. Non-MOA areas, and airspace rules...it's all a mute point. This whole incident is equivalent to "shooting fish in a barrel"...what a waste of talent !!!

 

[Bjammin]

If firefighting or EMS work is going on I have absolutly no problem knocking it off and exiting the MOA or not even getting airborne. Training is nowhere near as impotant as those duties. Photo ops, call first and make sure no big excersize is going on and let us know what altitude you need and what specific area you will be in and we will work around you, i've done it before, no problem.

The only problem I have is with guys that have the attitude that they are pressing through an active MOA because it is their right to do so, damn all military operations. This is not a safe practice and will lead to a death some day. I say make them all resrticted areas or make it mandatory to get a clearance PRIOR to entering from the controlling angency.

 

[Luke's Dad]

The best solution to this whole mess is to give the Philadelphia Lawyer in the Pilatus an "incentive" ride in an F-16 ( preferrably defensive BFM). While he is puking his guts out, seeing black and gray, and doing the funky chicken, send a 172 tooling through the fight to give a little perspective.

 

[McNugget]

10 feet...nice form!

http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/articles/2008/080707f-16.html

That was awesome...what a bunch of cry-babies! Waaah, the mean F-16 is targeting me!

 

[taz1518]

Moa

Last week I had to hold above 20K in a MOA while a twin decided to tour the airspace which resulted in a planned 1 v 1 mission above 20K when we had an original planned floor of 9K..ie..loss of training!

This is applies to most of the CIV guys throwing out spears on the MILITARY SECTION...SUCK IT! Ohhh yes I know what the next word coming out of your sucks will be..arrogance..ego...yes I do. Bottom line is, all of the fighter guys on the MILITARY POST are better than you. When I land at an FBO, I don't come up to your CIV plane jizzing all over it. Ohh yes, you're the guys that tell me you would've been a fighter pilot but....yeah, yeah..blahh.blahh.

Next time you are out flying and multiple SA-6's get shot at you, then you have to make a decision to drop weapons in close proximity of our brothers on the ground, I 'll have a beer with ya. Don't bore me with the shots you are taking at the good dudes on this post whom have worn the uniform. Some of you are such pricks that you keep throwing out "Top Gun" quotes..get over it!

After reading the last 10 pages I wasn't going to post but do you want to know something? I hate all of you!

Love, Angry Taz

 

[erj-145mech]

Last week I had to hold above 20K in a MOA while a twin decided to tour the airspace which resulted in a planned 1 v 1 mission above 20K when we had an original planned floor of 9K..ie..loss of training!
Love, Angry Taz

Whaaa....whaaa..sob, sob..that civillian made me fly at 20k...sob...sob...instead of my planned 9k...sob...sob...I hate them all...sob...sob...

Are all of the officers in your unit such crybabies?

 

[AdlerDriver]

ooookayyyyy......
That should help.

I'm getting deja vu when I visit this thread about once a week. How about we stop the madness.
Or not. I doubt this last entry is going to be left untouched. Okay, now the last two entries.

I guess it's "fights on" - again. Oh well. See you in a week.

 

[cjdriver]

Keep it coming, this is funny as he!!.