168 "Large" Regional Aircraft left for RFP

[777forever]

Ha ha, and where might these 175 aircraft be coming from? Republic has the next 45 coming out of the factory with the option of 45 more.

The 3 per month that Republic is getting thru 2015 is NOT filling up all of Embraer's delivery slots

 

[AntiJedi]

The majority from WestAir, wasn't it?

Only about 5 or so came from WestAir. Another 10-15 or so came from inactive fleets (ASA, Comair, Mesa, etc.) The majority of these were RT models, of which, the last of those were pulled offline in 2004.

Of the remaining 42 active ships in the fleet, only 4 were not delivered new to the company; they were bought from Mesa prior to the start of the UA contract.

 

[theo]

XJT has its issues, but the company is far from poorly run. Mesa and Trans States are poorly run companies, not XJT.

I assure you that you could not do any better, and in fact, much worse if you were put in charge tomorrow

777 if you ever checked the operating stats for United you would see that quite often Trans States and Mesa are the best operators for completion and on-time performance. I don't think your statement is consistent with the facts. Oh, by the way, Express jet is usually at the bottom of those same rankings.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I use Mesa to commute to work occasionally. Overall a much more reliable op than XJT, and the crew are usually quite professional. Who woulda thunk.

 

[N4niner206]

I use Mesa to commute to work occasionally. Overall a much more reliable op than XJT, and the crew are usually quite professional. Who woulda thunk.

Just a point regarding the quality of the operations... mesa is consistently top performer at both their USX and UAX contracts. Mesa as of late has also been at the top of UAX "promoter scores" from passenger feedback given to united. It has not always been this way... and likely will not always be this way, but it IS a relevant point in this conversation. And just to answer the question that we all know is coming, YES they have ACARS time reporting installed on all of their codeshare aircraft (have for a long time now) If i recall, the performance figures actually improved quite a bit compared to the pre-acars numbers. Not saying it doesn't have its problems, but currently the quality of the operation doesn't seem to be one of them.

 

[Plainsman]

I call bullsnit!

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Just a point regarding the quality of the operations... mesa is consistently top performer at both their USX and UAX contracts. Mesa as of late has also been at the top of UAX "promoter scores" from passenger feedback given to united. It has not always been this way... and likely will not always be this way, but it IS a relevant point in this conversation. And just to answer the question that we all know is coming, YES they have ACARS time reporting installed on all of their codeshare aircraft (have for a long time now) If i recall, the performance figures actually improved quite a bit compared to the pre-acars numbers. Not saying it doesn't have its problems, but currently the quality of the operation doesn't seem to be one of them.

Where are you getting your information from?

 

[WSurf]

Actually on the US Airways Side Mesa is the probably the best performer out off all the Express Carriers. I've seen the numbers during Recurrent Training. While Air Wiscosin and Piedmont are among the worst. Then again Piedmont is flying around in almost 30 year old TurboProps.

 

[XPOO]

OO/United Express (1,103 daily departures) March Month-to-Date:

D0 - 59.86%, A14 - 74.68%, CF - 99.15%

YV/United Express (100+ daily departures?) March Month-to-Date:

D0 - 60.90%, A14 - 77.07%, CF - 98.61%

OO/US Airways Express (93 Daily Departures) March Month-to-Date:

D0 - 87.90%, A14 - 92.30%, CF - 99.40%

Ok, now let's see Mesa's stats for US Airways Express.

 

[XPOO]

Actually on the US Airways Side Mesa is the probably the best performer out off all the Express Carriers. I've seen the numbers during Recurrent Training. While Air Wiscosin and Piedmont are among the worst. Then again Piedmont is flying around in almost 30 year old TurboProps.

I can tell you this much. So far, for 2013, Mesa has THE worst completion factor in the industry at 97.1%. Its not hard to run the flights you don't cancel on-time when you cancel more flights than anyone else.

 

[N4niner206]

Where are you getting your information from?

There are numerous sources - I'll list one here, that covers many aspects such as on-time performance (of course this is just one of many measurements of "quality of operation". The info is out there - don't take my word for it, look for yourself.

Airline Quality Rating data for 2012 is as follows (2013's report will come out on April 8... we can compare the most recent data at that point).

Note that these figures from the 2012 report cover the 2011 year (the 2013 report out soon will show 2012).

http://www.airlinequalityrating.com/reports/2012aqr.pdf

For example, some on-time performance for the year (summarized) for those who don't want to check it themselves:

Mesa: 0.837
Skywest: 0.793
American Eagle: 0.763
ASA: 0.752

My intent isn't to try to put any carrier down - its purely to dispute the statement that Mesa is operating poorly.

 

[N4niner206]

OO/United Express (1,103 daily departures) March Month-to-Date:

D0 - 59.86%, A14 - 74.68%, CF - 99.15%

YV/United Express (100+ daily departures?) March Month-to-Date:

D0 - 60.90%, A14 - 77.07%, CF - 98.61%

OO/US Airways Express (93 Daily Departures) March Month-to-Date:

D0 - 87.90%, A14 - 92.30%, CF - 99.40%

Ok, now let's see Mesa's stats for US Airways Express.

XPOO shouldn't you have access to the YV data for the USAirways and United contracts? I have contacts in YV's DX that get the data from all of the competing carriers. While I've seen it myself many times, I don't have direct access to it to post here. You should be able to, however?

 

[N4niner206]

Sources, sources, sources....

For those craving more current information...

Additional source: www.flightstats.com

MESA (YTD March 15 2013 20 Most Active Routes)

On-time 81%
Late 6%
Very Late 2%
Excessive 6%
Canceled 2%
Diverted 0%

SKYWEST (YTD March 15 2013 20 Most Active Routes)

On-time 78%
Late 7%
Very Late 3%
Excessive 8%
Canceled 2%
Diverted 0%

EXPRESSJET (YTD March 15 2013 20 Most Active Routes)

On-time 69%
Late 8%
Very Late 4%
Excessive 13%
Canceled 4%
Diverted 0%

REPUBLIC (YTD March 15 2013 20 Most Active Routes)

On-time 69%
Late 10%
Very Late 4%
Excessive 11%
Canceled 3%
Diverted 0%

PIEDMONT (YTD March 15 2013 20 Most Active Routes)

On-time 69%
Late 8%
Very Late 4%
Excessive 10%
Canceled 5%
Diverted 0%

PSA (YTD March 15 2013 20 Most Active Routes)

On-time 78%
Late 8%
Very Late 3%
Excessive 7%
Canceled 2%
Diverted 0%

AIR WISCONSIN (YTD March 15 2013 20 Most Active Routes)

On-time 68%
Late 8%
Very Late 5%
Excessive 12%
Canceled 5%
Diverted 0%

PINNACLE (YTD March 15 2013 20 Most Active Routes)

On-time 76%
Late 7%
Very Late 3%
Excessive 8%
Canceled 3%
Diverted 0%

Feel free to search it yourself... or bring us links to data that shows otherwise.

 

[N4niner206]

I can tell you this much. So far, for 2013, Mesa has THE worst completion factor in the industry at 97.1%. Its not hard to run the flights you don't cancel on-time when you cancel more flights than anyone else.

Not doubting you, but please cite your source so that I can better understand this industry. Can you show your sources? I have been unable to find anything to support this statement (see posts above).

 

[N4niner206]

http://www.dot.gov/sites/dot.dev/files/docs/2013MarchATCR.pdf

Sorry if it doesn't copy over well from the PDF. Take a look at the file for yourself, its much easier to read and I'm not about to go through and re-format it all.

Summary: DOT figures for 2012. Mesa was ahead of Skywest in 3 out of 4 quarters (in 3rd quarter, Skywest on-time performance ahead of Mesa's by 2/10ths of a percent).

AIRTRAN 90.0 2 89.1 3 82.9 6 86.2 3 91.3 2 81.4 6 89.5 3 87.2 3 (--) (--)
ALASKA 84.5 7 90.1 2 89.2 2 85.8 4 87.3 6 83.3 3 86.7 5 88.1 2 76.5 5
AMERICAN 83.1 8 80.5 12 70.0 15 74.1 15 79.6 15 75.2 9 79.4 10 76.6 15 78.0 3
AMERICAN EAGLE 82.8 9 83.0 10 80.0 11 80.6 9 86.6 7 73.9 11 75.4 14 81.1 10 (--) (--)
DELTA 87.3 3 87.5 4 84.4 3 87.2 2 90.6 3 85.4 2 87.5 4 86.6 4 77.6 4
EXPRESSJET 77.4 14 79.1 14 73.9 13 77.4 12 84.0 11 71.2 13 71.6 15 76.3 16 (--) (--)
FRONTIER 77.1 15 79.4 13 80.7 10 74.3 14 82.1 13 62.7 15 71.3 16 77.5 13 (--) (--)
HAWAIIAN 92.3 1 94.4 1 92.8 1 94.1 1 94.1 1 93.3 1 92.5 2 93.3 1 (--) (--)
JETBLUE 81.8 11 82.4 11 77.2 12 75.3 13 81.9 14 70.2 14 78.3 11 78.9 11 (--) (--)
MESA 86.3 6 87.1 6 81.5 8 84.8 5 88.4 4 81.9 5 80.4 9 84.8 6 (--) (--)
PINNACLE (--) (--) (--) (--) (--) (--) (--) (--) (--) (--) (--) (--) 77.9 12 77.9 12 (--) (--)
SKYWEST 81.7 12 84.2 8 81.7 7 78.8 11 82.8 12 72.9 12 77.6 13 81.3 9 (--) (--)
SOUTHWEST 87.2 4 83.7 9 81.0 9 80.8 8 86.0 8 73.9 10 84.9 6 82.9 8 81.9 1
UNITED 80.9 13 76.4 15 72.4 14 80.1 10 85.5 10 78.4 8 82.8 8 77.4 14 76.2 6
US AIRWAYS 87.2 5 87.4 5 84.2 4 84.7 6 88.1 5 82.9 4 83.0 7 85.7 5 78.3 2
VIRGIN AMERICA 82.6 10 85.2 7 83.3 5 82.6 7 85.9 9 80.5 7 93.1 1 84.3 7 (--) (--)