168 "Large" Regional Aircraft left for RFP

[N4niner206]

Actually on the US Airways Side Mesa is the probably the best performer out off all the Express Carriers. I've seen the numbers during Recurrent Training. While Air Wiscosin and Piedmont are among the worst. Then again Piedmont is flying around in almost 30 year old TurboProps.

Similar statistics are shared with YV crew members. PLEASE don't anyone take ANY of this as stating that Mesa is a better place to work than Skywest, PSA, Piedmont, Republic, Air Wisconsin etc or anything like that. Not the point at all... that's an entirely different argument not pertaining to performance metrics.

 

[N4niner206]

I call bullsnit!

That's your right. Now defend your case.

 

[XPOO]

XPOO shouldn't you have access to the YV data for the USAirways and United contracts? I have contacts in YV's DX that get the data from all of the competing carriers. While I've seen it myself many times, I don't have direct access to it to post here. You should be able to, however?

My numbers come straight from our company website. We have information for all the carriers for UA, DL and AK, but not for US or AA.

 

[XPOO]

Not doubting you, but please cite your source so that I can better understand this industry. Can you show your sources? I have been unable to find anything to support this statement (see posts above).

I'm not doubting your numbers either. What you fail to take into account is that OO does 1800 flights a day, EV does 2300 flights a day, and Mesa is barely doing 500 (if that). Its comparing apples to oranges.

 

[SAABaroowski]

MESA sucks, they are also a fraction of the size of XJT...........Mesa is MESA, lets be serious here guys

 

[N4niner206]

I'm not doubting your numbers either. What you fail to take into account is that OO does 1800 flights a day, EV does 2300 flights a day, and Mesa is barely doing 500 (if that). Its comparing apples to oranges.

See now you're shifting your argument. Before it was "Mesa is THE bottom performer" and now its "Well, they're smaller" I knew this is where it would turn next. I love it when an argument falls apart and people have to quickly change the whole topic. This was NEVER a debate on which was the larger carrier... that's a no-brainer. The thing is these numbers totally contradict your previous statement. YOU ALL ASKED ME TO PRESENT MY SOURCES. Now when B/S was called... I'm asking for some evidence to support the statement and nobody seems to be willing to do so!

What's the point - we all know this is Flightinfo... if you make an argument that supports Mesa, nobody will ever admit you're right EVEN IF THE FACTS SUPPORT IT.

A sure sign of intelligence is when a person, presented with facts, can admit they may have been wrong. If someone can present me evidence that supports their point (or nullifies the evidence I've presented) I'll willingly admit that I'm wrong. But you rarely see anyone else do that around here.

 

[N4niner206]

MESA sucks, they are also a fraction of the size of XJT...........Mesa is MESA, lets be serious here guys

Must really be hard to accept the fact that these numbers suggest that XJT may suck even more, at least performance-wise?

"Uh... well my airline is bigger than your airline" That's great... I'm glad to see you're happy being a part of OO (despite the constant complaints I hear). Gimme a break! Must be heart-breaking to think that MESA pilots, as horrible as they are, were able to prevent OO from buying them. What an ego-crush it must be that Mesa pilots aren't just dying to be part of such a wonderful airline. And the fact that Mesa pilots had the scope to prevent it. What's that worth anyway... ask all the happy XJT and ASA pilots who are now being played by Inc. What a shame.

What is funny is I don't see to many Mesa guys throwing stones at other regionals. It's always the other way around. But when a Mesa guy makes any defense the tables get turned. Funny stuff. Some might say that's a sign of insecurity that you're so worried about the other guy. If Mesa's not a threat, why are you so threatened?

 

[Nevets]

I'm not doubting your numbers either. What you fail to take into account is that OO does 1800 flights a day, EV does 2300 flights a day, and Mesa is barely doing 500 (if that). Its comparing apples to oranges.

Actually, EV operates almost 4,000 flights a day. And lately, we are at the bottom of performance metrics. One Super Regional!

 

[XPOO]

Actually, EV operates almost 4,000 flights a day. And lately, we are at the bottom of performance metrics. One Super Regional!

Via Expressjet.com:

Average number of daily scheduled departures System: 2,345

Care to try again?

 

[WAVIT Inbound]

Who Cares.

-SkyWest Pilot

 

[Nevets]

Via Expressjet.com:

Average number of daily scheduled departuresSystem: 2,345

Care to try again?

Oops my bad. For some reason I thought block hours instead of departures. Yes, about 2400 departures and about 4000 block hours per day. The point being that we still suck, either way. Not just Mesa (not that I thought they sucked to begin with).

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Sweet Jeebus,
We are arguing who came in first at the Special Olympics.

 

[Ops check good]

Sweet Jeebus,
We are arguing who came in first at the Special Olympics.

well said sir. that just made me spit my coffee all over.

 

[SAABaroowski]

Must really be hard to accept the fact that these numbers suggest that XJT may suck even more, at least performance-wise?

"Uh... well my airline is bigger than your airline" That's great... I'm glad to see you're happy being a part of OO (despite the constant complaints I hear). Gimme a break! Must be heart-breaking to think that MESA pilots, as horrible as they are, were able to prevent OO from buying them. What an ego-crush it must be that Mesa pilots aren't just dying to be part of such a wonderful airline. And the fact that Mesa pilots had the scope to prevent it. What's that worth anyway... ask all the happy XJT and ASA pilots who are now being played by Inc. What a shame.

What is funny is I don't see to many Mesa guys throwing stones at other regionals. It's always the other way around. But when a Mesa guy makes any defense the tables get turned. Funny stuff. Some might say that's a sign of insecurity that you're so worried about the other guy. If Mesa's not a threat, why are you so threatened?

Jesus, take it easy, I was kidding...............

I'm in class with a MESA guy at Spirit, hes a good guy and hasn't bashed XJT, well he did say we were arrogant but I agreed, lol

 

[XPOO]

See now you're shifting your argument. Before it was "Mesa is THE bottom performer" and now its "Well, they're smaller" I knew this is where it would turn next. I love it when an argument falls apart and people have to quickly change the whole topic. This was NEVER a debate on which was the larger carrier... that's a no-brainer. The thing is these numbers totally contradict your previous statement. YOU ALL ASKED ME TO PRESENT MY SOURCES. Now when B/S was called... I'm asking for some evidence to support the statement and nobody seems to be willing to do so!

What's the point - we all know this is Flightinfo... if you make an argument that supports Mesa, nobody will ever admit you're right EVEN IF THE FACTS SUPPORT IT.

A sure sign of intelligence is when a person, presented with facts, can admit they may have been wrong. If someone can present me evidence that supports their point (or nullifies the evidence I've presented) I'll willingly admit that I'm wrong. But you rarely see anyone else do that around here.

Ok so I missed this one, but seriously, how hard is it for Mesa to complete their tiny schedule? Are they operating 13 hubs like SkyWest is? Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Denver, Houston, Minneapolis, Memphis, Cincinnati, Detroit and Dulles (and you can add Atlanta back into that mix here soon)? Lines that run through three or four seperate hubs throughout the day (MKE-DTW-IND-CVG-OMA-MEM-BNA) or (SJC-LAX-SBA-SFO-FAT-DEN-LNK-ORD). And through all that complexity, SkyWest still cancels less flights on average than Mesa with a fleet of aircraft considerably older than the one Mesa utilizes. But if Mesa wants a cookie for cancelling more flights in order to improve their on-time performance, here it is. Congrats!

 

[Nevets]

Ok so I missed this one, but seriously, how hard is it for Mesa to complete their tiny schedule? Are they operating 13 hubs like SkyWest is? Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Denver, Houston, Minneapolis, Memphis, Cincinnati, Detroit and Dulles (and you can add Atlanta back into that mix here soon)? Lines that run through three or four seperate hubs throughout the day (MKE-DTW-IND-CVG-OMA-MEM-BNA) or (SJC-LAX-SBA-SFO-FAT-DEN-LNK-ORD). And through all that complexity, SkyWest still cancels less flights on average than Mesa with a fleet of aircraft considerably older than the one Mesa utilizes. But if Mesa wants a cookie for cancelling more flights in order to improve their on-time performance, here it is. Congrats!

You guys really are stuck on performance over there. It's not all about performance you know. Even when we had good performance, you didnt hear us touting it like we are the only reason why its so good. But I guess it's part of the kool aid there.

 

[WAVIT Inbound]

You guys really are stuck on performance over there. It's not all about performance you know. Even when we had good performance, you didnt hear us touting it like we are the only reason why its so good. But I guess it's part of the kool aid there.

Not "you guys", just some guys.....apparently

 

[PBRstreetgang]

You guys really are stuck on performance over there. It's not all about performance you know. Even when we had good performance, you didnt hear us touting it like we are the only reason why its so good. But I guess it's part of the kool aid there.

Nev, Nev, Nev,
He is a dispatcher, I will implore you to look with an electron microscope and find anything he can be proud of. He will "call you out" (to fight) if you so much as impugn his favorite sports team, the Dixie (Community)College Bumblebees, so beware! Stop feeding the troll and let him/it go back to the World of Warcraft tournament.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Nev, Nev, Nev,
He is a dispatcher, I will implore you to look with an electron microscope and find anything he can be proud of. He will "call you out" (to fight) if you so much as impugn his favorite sports team, the Dixie (Community)College Bumblebees, so beware! Stop feeding the troll and let him/it go back to the World of Warcraft tournament.

Sorry PBR, but XPOO aint fromDixie, probably doesnt like the Dixie State University Red Storm, or World of Warcraft.... But keep being a dumba$$. We enjoy betting on how immature you can get. Almost like a certain MX controller here in HDQ!

 

[WalterSobchak]

...I will implore you to look with an electron microscope and find anything he can be proud of.

Speaking of electron microscopes, how is the search for your genitalia coming along?

 

[badog]

Ok ok

I'll bite on this dikspatch hook...
Sky Pest needs to worry about their contrac..... Oh wait, they don't have a
contract, their work rules get dictated to them by the latter day saint squad.
There ya go, how's that dikspatcher boy.
While you're at it, gimme some more fuel
b!tch.

 

[badog]

Duplicate post

 

[WalterSobchak]

I'll bite on this dikspatch hook...
Sky Pest needs to worry about their contrac..... Oh wait, they don't have a
contract, their work rules get dictated to them by the latter day saint squad.
There ya go, how's that dikspatcher boy.
While you're at it, gimme some more fuel
b!tch.

A++++ Would buy again!

It's been too long since the dikskratchers of FI last trolled the Regional Board (and, by "the regional board", I really mean PBRstreetgang). I forgot how fun this is.

 

[homerjdispatch]

I'll bite on this dikspatch hook...
Sky Pest needs to worry about their contrac..... Oh wait, they don't have a
contract, their work rules get dictated to them by the latter day saint squad.
There ya go, how's that dikspatcher boy.
While you're at it, gimme some more fuel
b!tch.

More fuel? What, landing with 1Hr plus isnt enough? Not confident enough in yourself to review the release and see if something needs to be changed? Give me more fuel, that will keep me safe.... Nope, its like a 4 wheel drive... It wont get you unstuck, just gets you in deeper... Kinda like PBRs boyfriend!

 

[paid4training]

I use Mesa to commute to work occasionally. Overall a much more reliable op than XJT, and the crew are usually quite professional. Who woulda thunk.

I'm not sure about today's recent numbers but I know in the past years xjt would cancel or delay A LOT of flts because of mother CAL's need to be on time for international connections etc. Reliability is more than just the completion or on time performance numbers, it was based on CAL's image and their official numbers for the legacies and xjt slots and departures.

 

[badog]

More fuel? What, landing with 1Hr plus isnt enough? Not confident enough in yourself to review the release and see if something needs to be changed? Give me more fuel, that will keep me safe.... Nope, its like a 4 wheel drive... It wont get you unstuck, just gets you in deeper... Kinda like PBRs boyfriend!

See it worked although getting under his skin is kinda like a ghost wipe after wings and beer. You're still just taking a sh!te so no cause for applause.
latter day saint squid.
btw, love how they changed the arbitrary pilot name in our cfm to joe smith.
How clever.
Losers

 

[WalterSobchak]

I'm not sure about today's recent numbers but I know in the past years xjt would cancel or delay A LOT of flts because of mother CAL's need to be on time for international connections etc.

In their defense, that happens to any contract carrier during a ground delay program. CTD times are owned by the mainline carrier and the sub-carrier's flights get subbed to the bottom of the list in order to eat up a sizable chunk of the program delay time, thus allowing the mainline carrier to operate virtually on-time during an average GDP (as long as the controllers can maintain the advertised arrival rate).

Once you have three or four of those regional flights each taking one for the team at an avg. delay of three to five hours, you cancel/reposition and go about your day. The mainline carrier gets to pad their on-time/cancellation stats at the expense of the sub-carrier, and the regional gets paid for a flight they otherwise might not if they were to cancel on their own. Obviously, it's a little more complicated than that, but you get the gist.

Every sub-carrier gets screwed at some point. SKW takes it in the shorts at SFO for UAL; BTA probably took it in the shorts at EWR for CAL. Mesa...well, it's easy to keep on truckin' when most of your flights are at LAS/PHX/LAX.

TMYK

 

[CFIT]

More fuel? What, landing with 1Hr plus isnt enough? Not confident enough in yourself to review the release and see if something needs to be changed? Give me more fuel, that will keep me safe.... Nope, its like a 4 wheel drive... It wont get you unstuck, just gets you in deeper... Kinda like PBRs boyfriend!

How much in pounds is an hour and how is it calculated?

And how much fuel is calculated for a simple VFR missed approach and return?

 

[XPOO]

How much in pounds is an hour and how is it calculated?

And how much fuel is calculated for a simple VFR missed approach and return?

Um, us lowly dispatchers are just button pushers. We dont know the answers to these things. We just play WoW all day and send releases when its convenient.

But to honestly answer your question, fuel is calculated a number of ways. I'm assuming you would like to know how OO plans? Burn per hour is based on factors such as weight, winds, engine type and engine degredation. Reserve is calculated at 45 mins burn at TOD. Hold fuel is calculated at burn at 10,000ft above destination. Alternate burn is calculated for missed approach, climb to altitude and burn-off to the alternate plus a padding of 400lbs. When you ask about a simple VFR missed approach and return that is where statistical contingency fuel comes in, which is never less than 15 mins burn based on the same criteria as hold fuel.

 

[XPOO]

See it worked although getting under his skin is kinda like a ghost wipe after wings and beer. You're still just taking a sh!te so no cause for applause.
latter day saint squid.
btw, love how they changed the arbitrary pilot name in our cfm to joe smith.
How clever.
Losers

Would you care to tell me just how badly my QOL and work rules are suffering because we don't have a contract? Or are you just trying to beat the only drum available to you?

Joe Cool? Everyday Joe? Joe the Plumber? John Doe? Smith? Jones? Anderson? Who cares? At least it wasn't something lame like Captain Kirk or Captain Morgan. "Ohh, look guys, Captain Morgan....teeheehee."