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[UndauntedFlyer]

in 2008 there was going to be about 140ish retirements at CAL instead they had 140ish furloughs, think about that one for a minute.

Yes, what you say is true but that was the economy, not the change to age 65. Unfortunately, the $hit hit the fan all at once: Age 65 and the economy.

 

[PCL_128]

Doesn't matter, you crazy old dolt! Had Age 65 not happened, those furloughs wouldn't have happened.

 

[Turtle21]

Doesn't matter, you crazy old dolt! Had Age 65 not happened, those furloughs wouldn't have happened.

Take it easy PCL, we don't want you to have a medical event!

Let's all sing two rounds of "Hail to ALPA the wonderful" so PCL can start to breath normally.

 

[livin'thesim]

Greedy, cowardly, craven old men.

The worst generation.

The kind of people who would leave wounded on the battlefield.

 

[Andy]

Ah, I see the Chairman of the Board of Chicago Executive Airport has returned. So old, yet so juvenile. Dorky looking hat in your photo, by the way.

allan, my wife and I have have a decent nest egg saved for retirement, unlike you. And that's in spite of me being furloughed for 8 years so far. My retirement plans are currently to retire in my mid-50s. Since I'm 52, that's not too far in the future. We have a couple of items to square away prior to retirement but we sure as he11 aren't going to be working into our 60s. You, on the other hand, will have to work until the day you die because you didn't bother setting aside money for retirement.

I find it amusing that someone who has seen many airlines crash and burn during his career, watching many pilots have their pensions taken over by PBGC, didn't save enough to retire. Your return here may help a few of the younger readers out there that have not started to save for retirement. For those of you who haven't started saving for retirement, here's a good read of a desperate 777 captain who was approaching retirement and hadn't saved anything: http://www.age60rule.com/docs/2006 Englehardt - Blakey.pdf

Absolutely pathetic, old man.

 

[Whataburger]

I will tell you what is undaunting: the Members Only jacket the Undaunted Flyer wears to Pancake breakfasts. The last member?

 

[SWA Bubba]

Burn in hell.

Wow, PCL.

That didn't come across as too brotherly at all for a good union guy. I'm shocked.

Bubba

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Andy:

Your point is that you are so well prepared that you are going to retire from airline work while you're in your 50's. So what. Sure you could quit the UAL/CAL job if you want, and I can understand that, but the point I am making in my comments is that now things are better because others can retire when they want, early and as late as age 65. Some may want or need to work to age 65 and others may want to quit at an earlier age.

And obviously, the reasons for age-60 that were given by you and others for keeping age 60, being safety have been thoroughly proved wrong. There have been no incident or accident related to an over age 60 pilot.

You still say you are going to retire early. OK that's your choice. My view is that if a person has the money and hates their job, they should definitely retire as early as possible. Andy, if that's you position, I'm sure you will enjoy your retirement as much as I have enjoyed mine. And yes, I've been having a great life in my retirement, great car and motorcycle trips as well as time with my family.

The great thing now is the choices are available now that were not there before and that makes the airline job better. I'm glad I may have had a part in making the job better for others, including you.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

I will tell you what is undaunting: the Members Only jacket the Undaunted Flyer wears to Pancake breakfasts. The last member?

That's funny. Totally untrue but funny...

 

[Whataburger]

That's funny. Totally untrue but funny...

Put your right hand on the Bible, type with the left. You are saying that you were not at a certain pancake breakfast in May a couple years ago wearing a tan Members Only jacket?

I know a dude who robbed a dude who knows your son. My connection pointed to me and said, "That's Undaunted Flyer." I chuckled, wrapped another pancake around a sausage, washed it down with coffee, and continued to admire the warbirds and admire the hot little tattooed airshow chicks that finished the swing shift at Dennys and drove out to the airport to satiate their desire to start their morning with a heavy dose of aviation and $6 airport grub.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Whataburger:

Nope, I do not own any such jacket, no Members Only anything that I know of.

I may have been at such a fly in, though, as I try to fly or ride my motorcycle ever year to the RFD EAA Fly-In breakfast.

 

[Andy]

Andy:

Your point is that you are so well prepared that you are going to retire from airline work while you're in your 50's. So what. Sure you could quit the UAL/CAL job if you want, and I can understand that, but the point I am making in my comments is that now things are better because others can retire when they want, early and as late as age 65. Some may want or need to work to age 65 and others may want to quit at an earlier age.

And obviously, the reasons for age-60 that were given by you and others for keeping age 60, being safety have been thoroughly proved wrong. There have been no incident or accident related to an over age 60 pilot.

You still say you are going to retire early. OK that's your choice. My view is that if a person has the money and hates their job, they should definitely retire as early as possible. Andy, if that's you position, I'm sure you will enjoy your retirement as much as I have enjoyed mine. And yes, I've been having a great life in my retirement, great car and motorcycle trips as well as time with my family.

The great thing now is the choices are available now that were not there before and that makes the airline job better. I'm glad I may have had a part in making the job better for others, including you.

No, your point was to be juvenile and personally attack me because I support age 60 retirement. Your personal attacks on me were uncalled for and I will not remain silent while you continue to soil my name with your unfounded accusations. I must have really gotten to you that you are still attacking me so many years later. For what it's worth, I haven't given you a second thought until I read your attack on me. You simply are not worthy of my time.

No, you have made this job MUCH WORSE during your time as an active pilot. You and your ilk gave away work rules in order to preserve a couple extra dollars an hour in wages. Only a delusional fool would think that being an airline pilot is a better job today than it was four decades ago when you started flying for United. Which is likely part of the reason why you never took an entry level airline job when the age changed, in spite of your continual proclamations of just wanting to fly for the love of it. No, it's all about the money for you now.

No, you obviously haven't enjoyed your retirement, as you're on here whining yet again about the age change. You not only have to fly Falcon 10s in your retirement, you're out there spending your days working as a DE and even whoring yourself out to Salvi, Schostock, and Pritchard (ambulance chasers) as an 'expert' witness just to make ends meet.

No, the latest over 60 pilot who was involved in a major accident was Miguel Perez Soto, less than 2 weeks ago. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...ane-nose-dived-crashed-into-mountainside.html

You are simply a pathetic old man who did no financial preparation for retirement. Look in the mirror. You screwed up. You didn't save anything in spite of making big bucks for more than 5 years after 9/11.
Instead of accepting personal responsibility for your financial screwups, you're on here churning out bitter posts, using me as the target of your financial blunders. Grow up and take personal responsibility.

Members Only jacket? I believe Whataburger; he's a credible poster. You - not so much.
You sold your plane several years ago. You've probably gotten a reverse mortgage on your house. You're out there looking for any job you can get to earn a few bucks. And you can't even afford new clothes. Have you sold your motorcycle yet? You'll be selling off your possessions one by one to survive.
You are the stupid grasshopper from Aesop's fable. http://www.umass.edu/aesop/content.php?n=0&i=1

I haven't posted on this thread in months and had no plan to ever post on it again. But you chose to personally attack me because you're an immature dirtbag. Go crawl in a corner and die, you delusional bitter old man. No one will mourn your passing.

 

[Andy]

Put your right hand on the Bible, type with the left. You are saying that you were not at a certain pancake breakfast in May a couple years ago wearing a tan Members Only jacket?

That wouldn't do any good. He's a sociopath.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

So old, yet so juvenile. Dorky looking hat in your photo, by the way.
Absolutely pathetic, old man.

I really can not understand why you choose to make insulting comments rather than address the issues in discussion.

I think the issue has been a discussion about whether age-60 was being maintained as a safety issue or just something to get the senior pilots out of their seats. My position is the latter and the proof has been the record of those pilots over the last 5 years.

It is commonly said that when a person resorts to insults, it's because they have nothing left in their argument.

 

[PCL_128]

That wouldn't do any good. He's a sociopath.

Well, he is a scumbag. I don't think there's any doubt about that. But a sociopath? I think that may be a little much.

 

[Andy]

I really can not understand why you choose to make insulting comments rather than address the issues in discussion.

I think the issue has been a discussion about whether age-60 was being maintained as a safety issue or just something to get the senior pilots out of their seats. My position is the latter and the proof has been the record of those pilots over the last 5 years.

It is commonly said that when a person resorts to insults, it's because they have nothing left in their argument.

You chose to insult me first. I returned the insults. I'm done here, you delusional old fool.

 

[eaglesview]

Gotta love cyber muscles.

 

[Flopgut]

I think the issue has been a discussion about whether age-60 was being maintained as a safety issue or just something to get the senior pilots out of their seats. My position is the latter and the proof has been the record of those pilots over the last 5 years.

Who put who out of who's seat here?! You claim to have been fired for age. But the exact language of the rule change you spent all that time trying to make happen would have put you right back into the cockpit immediately*. Except you figured you were too good to sit in a seat like Andy's, so you didn't take the job. You decided it "wasn't worth it". So now you're going to pick at Andy because you think he's exaggerating about early retirement. It's no different than what happened to you Undaunted: The retirement age change has made Andy's last years five years as useless as you saw yours being!!** The reality is you took yourself AND Andy out. In fact, you put about as many pilots out of work as lorenzo did!! Nice job! Forgive us if we don't feel too "fraternal" toward you...

*For all you know, someone you wrote all those letters to was looking out for you personally and had that sentece (allowing your return) added trying to help you out. Should have just gone ahead from the beggining and let them know it was the seniority you wanted, not just an end to "discrimination".

**I think you should hang out Andy. I think it might get better than you think it will. I think you'll catch a break.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

The way it looks, if Andy stays with UAL he will probably just become a junior Captain about the time he turns age 60 or there abouts, and he says he will retire before that? I'll be waiting for my thank you note as he continues on to age 65. No body quits when they finally get in the left seat after a career of waiting.

 

[flyboyike]

No body quits when they finally get in the left seat after a career of waiting.

If it takes that long to see the left seat, I don't want it. By the time I'm sixty, I'll have more important things to worry about than how many stripes I'm wearing.