1261 days to go!

[The Prussian]

1253!

 

[Quimby]

30,072 hrs

 

[Whataburger]

I'm diggin' the team effort.

 

[flyf15]

Age 65 has nothing to do with getting to be in that senior widebody captain slot for an extra 5 years.

It means everyone gets to spend 5 extra years where they are now. Senior widebody captains get 5 extra years there. Legacy FOs get 5 extra years there (due to delayed upgrades because of no retirements). RJ pilots get 5 extra years there (due to no hiring because of no retirement). Furloughed pilots get an extra 5 years there. New pilots flight instructing in 172s or flying sketchy Navajos around in the middle of the night get an extra 5 years there. And so on and so forth.

If you're happy with where you are in aviation right now and don't mind spending 5 more years in the seat you're in than you had planned, Age 65 is great. Otherwise, it sucks... especially when the next move you planned on making would've increased your QOL or pay, but now you cannot make that move for 5 years. Need to upgrade before you have that kid? Need to get a job at a better airline before you buy that house? Need to move to bigger equipment before you buy that car? Thats all going to have to happen 5 years later than you planned.

The only people making money off this deal are the ones at the top when the music stopped. Everyone else got delt a bad hand... 5 more years as an FO, as an RJ pilot, on furlough, etc. Compared to what they would be doing, sounds like they're in for losing quite a bit of money.

Plus, as an added bonus, EVERYONE gets to work an extra 5 years now! That part I'm excited about, I was hoping that I wouldn't get to spend all those extra years of my life doing things I want to do. Pilots don't have that great of a life expectancy anyways, why work til 65 when you're going to die at 70-75 anyways.... how many 90 yearold ALPA members or even former airline pilots at all do you see walking around? Personally, I haven't ever....

 

[N1VIBS]

1253!

OK what am I missing here? What happens in 1200 days? The age 65 law will still be around, right? The only difference I see is there will be a new group of over 60's to take the place of the current group. I seriously doubt that in 1200 days, every pilot 60 or older is going to retire. You will, of course move up a few senority numbers when the 65 group leaves, but there will still be a lot of over 60's around. This will go on forever (unless the law changes back to age 60, which I doubt).

 

[Quimby]

OK what am I missing here? What happens in 1200 days? The age 65 law will still be around, right? The only difference I see is there will be a new group of over 60's to take the place of the current group. I seriously doubt that in 1200 days, every pilot 60 or older is going to retire. You will, of course move up a few senority numbers when the 65 group leaves, but there will still be a lot of over 60's around. This will go on forever (unless the law changes back to age 60, which I doubt).

movement.

 

[Flopgut]

OK what am I missing here? What happens in 1200 days? The age 65 law will still be around, right? The only difference I see is there will be a new group of over 60's to take the place of the current group. I seriously doubt that in 1200 days, every pilot 60 or older is going to retire. You will, of course move up a few senority numbers when the 65 group leaves, but there will still be a lot of over 60's around. This will go on forever (unless the law changes back to age 60, which I doubt).

There will be a great deal of movement. Age 60 was young enough that a large number of airline pilot retirees could go on to work longer as pilots. Age 65 changes things. In 1200 days the retired pilots will stay retired whether they want to or not. Additionally, the pilots who missed the cutoff for 65 and are currently working will be long gone. Consider that new pilots aren't in the pipeline....three years from now things might get interesting.

What we have to be guarded against is another backstab from the current old guys.

* Also, it shouldn't take another 1200 days. Most of these guys should not have to work up to the last second. There will be a window in the last 6-12 months where they start to bail out. Only ones hanging on to the last instant are the ones with more than three exes, or even bigger problems?!

 

[GuppyWN]

The rule should be tied to social security age. Period.

The greedy bastards who already had an entire career stay and ************************* the furloughed guys who are trying to get a start.

Gup

 

[The Prussian]

1252!!

 

[20sx]

I'm not sure about the last 6-12 months generating movement. There are still furloughes that have to get called back first. Not that that will take long, it just provides a slight delay.