ALPA Scab-list

[jackotron]

I have heard that there is such a thing as the ALPA Scab List. Is this truth? Is it open to the public? And is there any way to get on the Scab list other than crossing the picket-line? Also, has anyone here ever denied the jumpseat to a scab?

 

[FSB99]

I have heard that there is such a thing as the ALPA Scab List. Is this truth? Is it open to the public? And is there any way to get on the Scab list other than crossing the picket-line? Also, has anyone here ever denied the jumpseat to a scab?

Yes. It is truth. It can be found floating around the internet, i'm sure. you join the esteemed scab list by scabbing, i.e., crossing a picket line and flying struck work. (simple as that, and only that way) and yes, jumpseats have been denied.

 

[TurboS7]

There are those of us who wouldn't want to jumpseat with any crew that gives a flip and pulls out the list. I wouldn't want to subject myself to their attitude and pilot skills.

 

[dondk]

The majority of the people on the list have retired, the few that are remaining are well known and/or documented at their respecitve companies. Some are now in management roles at some regionals/flight schools/cargo operators. Some have even been **forgiven**.

I personally don't see the need for the list these days, even **IF** they are on that list, my money is they are not jumpseating to begin with.

As others have mentioned.. you can find the list on the 'net, heck if you search this board you may even find one of the few links to it.

 

[jackotron]

Don't captians have to give a reason for denying the jumpseat? Wouldn't your company give you guff? And what about Freedom Air?

 

[jarhead]

Short answer.....No

Longer answer, the captain can make up a "reason" if he's so inclined.....like "It's already spoken for".

 

[350DRIVER]

Don't captians have to give a reason for denying the jumpseat? Wouldn't your company give you guff? And what about Freedom Air?

Yes they sure do deny the j/s and this does happen... Reason? not really...The original Freedumb guys are smart enough to not try this for the most part, most crews that I know will not give them a ride (he!! would freeze over first), rightfully so after what they did. They need to pay the consequences for their actions.


Turbo, I am pretty sure quite a few ex- Eastern scabs are at Miami A. so I see where you have formed this opinion from but I doubt that is the overall philosophy/mindset with many. Most I know do carry the list..

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[Typhoon1244]

There are those of us who wouldn't want to jumpseat with any crew that gives a flip and pulls out the list. I wouldn't want to subject myself to their attitude and pilot skills.

I'd like to take this opportunity to express offence on behalf of my father and his fellow rEAL pilots. Just when I was starting to see you as a human being, Turbo, you had to post this and reinforce my original opinion of you: a man devoid of morality, who'll do anything for money.

I guess once a scumbag, always a scumbag.

 

[350DRIVER]

Someone had to say it... I didn't have the heart..


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fortunately not many will second his opinions... I have heard many scabs are stuck at Miami Air, go figure....

 

[TurboS7]

That is right I am a real human being and I get pissed off. My fight has nothing to do with money. I have been fighting union attitudes since the day a guy smashed my windshield with a baseball bat. He wasn't with ALPA but with the teamsters. I was just trying to get to the dock to get an AOG part to my airplane in Chicago. Since them I have wanted nothing more than the break the backs of the stupidity that happens at unions. I am not againt unions per say but I am totally against the discrimination and the garbage that goes on. BTW those that are stuck at Miami her are stuck because we like it. Miami Air may not pay quite a good as other carriers but it is more than made up for in other ways. Big is big, but small is good.

 

[TurboS7]

BTW any Freedom Air pilot is welcome on my jumpseat. It is this kind of unprofessinal discrimination against fellow pilot's that really pissed me off. I don't care if they are yellow, black, or white, scabs or not, agree with you or not.(Even hate Bush and love Kennedy and Kerry) Or if they have wrecked your career they should have a seat in the back, and they treat you likewise when it is your turn. That is called professionalism, a courtesy extended to all who make their living flying the skies.BTW, I have never been refused a jumpseat with anyone or any carrier because of my position, it is called professionalism, and to all who fly the skies I extend my sincere appreciation even when their views were totally contrary to mine.

 

[skootertrash]

Turbo you really are a piece of shiite! Freakin Scab. How can you talk about discrimination against a "FELLOW PILOT". Do you even know what a fellow pilot is? How can you say that when you purposely sold your fellow pilots out by scabbing?


No the original 87 Freedom pilots are not welcome on many jumpseats. They are not officially added to the scab list however there is a list floating around. BTW if anyone has updates to the Freedom list please PM me. I'm looking for info such as if any have moved on to other carriers ect...

 

[TurboS7]

Scootertrash,turn your email around and that is the way I feel about you. Really makes great sense doesn't it. You missed the total point of my post. But then you are just a pilot, that is the way your management feels about you.....

 

[jackotron]

It was just a question fellas, I didn't mean to start a fight

 

[TurboS7]

In re-reading my original post is was very wrong and unprofessional for me to say "and flying skills", I tried to edit it out but with this new website format I couldn't get it to work. Sorry. I guess I need to read and edit before I hit the send.

 

[jackotron]

It would seem to me that someone the crosses the picket-line and goes back to work, is costing the pilots that are on strike their momentum. Which is like shooting your friends in the back and yourself in the foot.

In any industry, strikes come about because things aren't great. Nobody strikes when things are good. So when your fellow pilots strike, the best chance of accomplishing the goal is to stick together.

Delta's strike cost Delta $780 Million. If they would have just given the pilots what they wanted it would have only cost $250 Million. Am I to think that those that crossed the picket-line helped the pilots get a better quality of life. I think not.

http://www.pilotmentornetwork.com/Articles_LaborIssues_jeff.html

 

[Publishers]

Eastern

There are enough people on here that know absolutely nothing about the Eastern situation, were not even around at the time, spout off their opinions on a fire, ready, aim basis, to overload the new Airbus. It was a test of wills and the pilots for the most part were not even in the equation.

One thing was for sure, there was no raising the bar issue, there was a raise the intelligence issue. As stated in the other thread on this issue, I hold nothing against anyone invloved in the tragedy that was Eastern's demise. There is plenty of blame and stupidity to go around.

If nothing else, for someone studying the industry, it was an example of why this industry goes through tremendous cycles and has problems no other one does. You have multiple unions in multiple types of companies doing different things. It is why any union is never in complete control, why they try to serve many masters and serve none, and, why there is little cohesion from the other surrounding unions.

Everyone want the other guy to fight his fight and respect his lines in the sand. Bull, in the bigger picture, the receipe is one for constant upheaval and little real accomplishment.

 

[skootertrash]

I disagree. The Eastern Strike was about standing up for what you believed in. In this case is was against Lorenzo. The MX certainly had much to do with the eventual closing of the airline however all the employee groups said they had had enough. Something our brethren at Mesa should have learned. Now we have another Lorenzo to deal with.

 

[350DRIVER]

BTW any Freedom Air pilot is welcome on my jumpseat. It is this kind of unprofessinal discrimination against fellow pilot's that really pissed me off. I don't care if they are yellow, black, or white, scabs or not, agree with you or not.(Even hate Bush and love Kennedy and Kerry) Or if they have wrecked your career they should have a seat in the back, and they treat you likewise when it is your turn. That is called professionalism, a courtesy extended to all who make their living flying the skies.BTW, I have never been refused a jumpseat with anyone or any carrier because of my position, it is called professionalism, and to all who fly the skies I extend my sincere appreciation even when their views were totally contrary to mine.

I know the asst. chief at Freedumb pretty well, Gary Lightfoot, and I must say that what he and the other original Freedumb guys did was complete BS that ended up hurting the entire pilot group and they need to pay for what they did (and they will). Turbo, you will not make many friends in this industry with the attitude that it was "ok" with regards to what these clowns did. They were given a choice and unfortunately they made a very bad one that will hurt them for a very long time.... They are constantly being denied the j/s and this is exactly what should happen, bottom line. They (Freddumb guys) fhucked the entire Mesa pilot group and forced the pilots to approve a contract that was p!ss poor, below industry standards, etc, just to put a stop to this Freedumb insanity. This has nothing to do with being "professional" but everything to do with standing up for what you believe in, right versus wrong, and proving a point to these clowns so next time these guys are given a choice they will think long and hard about it. I am very surprised in your comments but I guess if you were once EAL then it all makes sense.


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[Lrjtcaptain]

not on my board!! Mark!http://www.fracpilot.com/Scabs By Name.pdf