MCBA thoughts

[Imissmypilot]

Club go read the preamble. It appears the arbitrator intent was red label can only crew red label aircraft whereas the program can utilize line pilots as necessary.

 

[1folinepilot]

It looks like L$'s freebie seam period days were eliminated! Thats easily a 2k bonus of extra days we don't have to work for free any more ( but she was kind enough to thank you for you understanding )

 

[1folinepilot]

What happens to all of the transfer pilots who were pay protected copilots that were passed over when MGT hastily upgraded the junior Flex guys?

 

[el raton]

IBT 0
Ricci 2

In all honesty, the IBT will become the least of Ricci’s worries. He’s going to be fighting a new stronger enemy now....his need for pilots.
Note to 1108 negotiators... concentrate mainly on hiring minimums as if they’re the Holy Grail.

 

[Imissmypilot]

I get confused because in proposals by the UNion it looks like they were trying to cut out all bonuses. It looks like the company came up with money for that? It also looks like all VF did was get himself and the guys in his fleet a bonus. What about the rest of us? Flying the same weight category but get nothing?

27.7 Challenger 300 Pay Increase
27.7(a) On January 1, 2018, the Challenger 300 Captain salary or day rate (non Red Label) will be increased by 3%. This adjustment will have no effect on any other salary or day rate tables.

I think the whole board screwed us

FLFlyer1 we have union proposals we can look at to see the overarching goal regarding compensation was to make it fair across the board (based on weight like the airlines) and steady (no bonuses). The fact the 300 group and them alone got a meager raise is not anywhere in the union proposals and a company tactic you just fell for. Additionally it looks like it might be a plan they never have to pay out on if you look deeper into the crystal ball.

So your company chairman seeks to illegally and unethically stack the deck by wining and dining our arbitrator in Cabo and Scottsdale in a one on one meeting (despite insistence he would not be involved in negotiations) and you want to blame this instead on the one guy (VF) who gave up countless thankless hours fighting for you, just so you could he dumb enough to not see through the company ruse behind the CL30 increase?

The more I read it, this whole mcba is a pig. It looks like the union didn't get a single real thing from their proposals. The only thing the pilots got were a few red herrings so the arbritrator could claim impartiality and some language mistakes we can use to our advantage.

Make no mistake the company ****ed us through and through and the blame lies solely on them.

Pre mcba we could only get non jet, non ATP low hour new hires who wouldn't even show up for day 2. What do you think we will get now?

Our only hope is to use the hiring crisis and those language mistakes in the mcba to our advantage land force section 6.

It will require unity and sacrifice. Do not accept anything that takes you over 14. Period. Even if that means a hotel on a delayed connecting flight on your go home day. Do not accept last legs even with owners sitting there if it takes you a second over. Realize the half hour shut down especially on swap days might unfortunately result in more missed prep and maintenance items that could push the duty day forward. In other words be purely professional and do not do favors that allow management to keep us running on overtime days and short staff.

When they can't hire and supplemental lift goes nuts maybe they'll get the message Kenn Ricci's childish vendetta is running them into the ground and Silvestro, Salata or someone with enough sense and balls will put an end to this mess (do not look for that to be JW).

You should be pissed but not at VF. If anything you owe him an apology for smearing his sacrifice with your less than reasoned reaction.

Remember in Ricci's world you are either FoK or SOL. The slots at his feet are already taken. So you really just have one shot now (and fortunately or unfortunately depending on your perspective) the Teamsters are it. It's time to shut the asshats crying decert down and get to work on the unity required to turn this pig into bacon.

 

[Club ORD FO]

I'm surprised you are taking this so well, considering your posts before the MCBA was released. What this what you had heard we were getting or were you expecting worse?


I'm pretty sure all captains accidentally got a raise. There's no more rule about dropping a year on the pay scales. Year 15 means year 15.

And I'm sure about 27.9: "[FONT=&quot]A Challenger 300 Non-Red Label PIC that is more senior to a Domestic RedLabel crewmember on the Domestic Red Label Aircraft shall receive, in addition to hisnormal rate of pay, the differential between the Domestic Red Label rate of pay and hiscorresponding daily rate (or calculated daily rate for a fixed schedule) for that day worked. "

[/FONT]Does that mean any regular line captain who flies on a red label tail, and is senior to the most junior Red Label captain (TC), he will get red label pay for that day? Or does it only apply to captain on captain pairings, when one is red label and one is not? I'm thinking it's my first interpretation.

So between the year raise, the 3% that is coming in Jan, and the bonus for flying red label tail, the CL300 captains did fairly well.

 

[Praetorian]

On the new ISL you guys will now dominate on the PBS. That's at least 100 more per day and then some.

Guys like me will end up forced to fixed and lose significant amounts of pay but I'm not in a place to run all my numbers.

Remember, the schedule bids will be done by fleet. Since the vast majourity of former Flops pilots are in the Phenom we will be competing among ourselves for schedule bids.

Also, most of us are maxed out on pay, with over 17 years in service. A problem this MCBA didn't address, so due to inflation, each year we lose money.

Further, by my math the PBS is only worth about $2,500 annually for a 17+ year guy working 16 days per month, not sure anyone will bid it. We like knowing our schedules six months out.

I think your beloved PBS is safe????

 

[Club ORD FO]

Remember, the schedule bids will be done by fleet. Since the vast majourity of former Flops pilots are in the Phenom we will be competing among ourselves for schedule bids.

Also, most of us are maxed out on pay, with over 17 years in service. A problem this MCBA didn't address, so due to inflation, each year we lose money.

Further, by my math the PBS is only worth about $2,500 annually for a 17+ year guy working 16 days per month, not sure anyone will bid it. We like knowing our schedules six months out.

I think your beloved PBS is safe????

17 year Phenom on PBS:
14 days per bid (182 days per year): $114159.5
15 Days per BP (195 days per year): $122313.75
16 days per BP (208 days per year): $130468

ON the 8/7 it's $108,211.81.

All that correct? Plus now you'll get the hourly overtime after 12 hours. That's be a few grand a year

 

[BE40Driver]

Two questions, Are the transfered FO pilots that were pay protected with PIC pay from Flops now going to SIC pay? And when they moved out of the Lear for larger A/C are they seat locked for 24 or 39 months?

 

[Praetorian]

17 year Phenom on PBS:
14 days per bid (182 days per year): $114159.5
15 Days per BP (195 days per year): $122313.75
16 days per BP (208 days per year): $130468

ON the 8/7 it's $108,211.81.

All that correct? Plus now you'll get the hourly overtime after 12 hours. That's be a few grand a year

That sounds great, but where are you getting that 208 days per year number? Right now we are working 16 days per month and 194 days per year.

 

[Club ORD FO]

Flexbid has 13 bid periods per year (28 days each). So 16 days per bid period is 208 per year. That's the most they can make you work. You can volunteer for 18 per BP

 

[Praetorian]

Flexbid has 13 bid periods per year (28 days each). So 16 days per bid period is 208 per year. That's the most they can make you work. You can volunteer for 18 per BP

So it's just a more pay for more work situation and we effectively got a zero pay raise out of this, if we work the same number of days per year.

Now I know why management fought for the PBS.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Club I'm taking it better because I see this was a complete and utter railroad job. In a strange way it is comforting to realize the company had this in the bag (seems like a secret meeting had to take place) and it's not that the union was weak, one sided or ambivalent. No instead it's clear the company is corrupt and this arbritrator at best questionable in his ability.

As for the rest I'll have to answer after a few more hours of abuse. I really hope I get the opportunity to pull the plug at 14 today and watch them scramble.

BTW still pissed our leadership knew about the Cabo invite and didn't march right back to Gwin. I'm just hoping I don't know the big picture and their strategy takes this is to account.

 

[Club ORD FO]

So it's just a more pay for more work situation and we effectively got a zero pay raise out of this, if we work the same number of days per year.

Now I know why management fought for the PBS.

If you do 7/7 on PBS, isn't that a $6000 per year increase?

No saying you could get 7/7 on PBS, but as an example...

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BTW still pissed our leadership knew about the Cabo invite and didn't march right back to Gwin. I'm just hoping I don't know the big picture and their strategy takes this is to account.

I had heard about the Cabo invite. I asked about it and was told that the arbitrator brought it to the attention of the union, and he agreed not to go unless the union could also ago. Of course KR didn't extend the invite. So that was that. If he agreed not to go, what else could the union do? Demand a new arbitrator? That would have taken months, and then KR wild invite that guy anyway. As far as judge Gwen goes, I'm not sure he could have done anything about it.

 

[jetwash]

As for the rest I'll have to answer after a few more hours of abuse. I really hope I get the opportunity to pull the plug at 14 today and watch them scramble.
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I usually get tired at around 11 or 12 hours then I pull the plug and sleep in until late morning making sure I am well rested. If I require 20 hours off to be safe the next day I take it and just tell them in the e mail when to put me back on duty.

just a simple one line e mail and you can rest if you are tired, no more worry about getting called in.