UsAirways/AA pay parity?

[RJLoser]

Agree completely Jump. A toxic envirnment is self induced. I have had a great time flying with the guys here. Some real good times. I passed an older Captain in CLT who was clearly headed to the crew room. He was on the other side of the concourse with a big smile on his face. I nodded as we passed he pointed at me and said "you headed home buddy?" Is said yup. He said "alright man! Have a good one." A guy like that brings that attitude with him. I was impressed.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Best advise I have is make the move and don't look back. ...

... This is going to be a great airline, and the application process isn't a quick one. The longer you take to apply, the more you will be kicking yourself later for not applying sooner.

Agreed 100%. At least get into the process and then make up your mind when you get an offer...

 

[ALGFLYR]

I wasn't aware that US Airways was hiring between 9-11 and 2005 when they merged with AWA???

Around 100 pilots were hired mid 2004. Before the AWA merger.

 

[get2flyin]

Around 100 pilots were hired mid 2004. Before the AWA merger.

Hired at mainline or in the subsidiary "EMB" division?

 

[Green]

Around 100 pilots were hired mid 2004. Before the AWA merger.

Oh you were hired at Mid Atlantic on the E170. Were you able to bid anything other than the E170 prior to the merger with AWA? Funny that you would make fun of Mesa considering your background.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Oh you were hired at Mid Atlantic on the E170. Were you able to bid anything other than the E170 prior to the merger with AWA? Funny that you would make fun of Mesa considering your background.

What are you talking about? I directly challenge you to find anyplace I have EVER made fun of Mesa....

 

[ALGFLYR]

Hired at mainline or in the subsidiary "EMB" division?

No difference really. Everyone that came to MDA through the flow-thru came from Piedmont. And before the first class went, they knew they were being added to the ML seniority list. That was the deal.

 

[Green]

What are you talking about? I directly challenge you to find anyplace I have EVER made fun of Mesa....

I'm sorry my bad. I had you mixed up with LearLove. I was waiting for his response as to how he wasn't a third lister and I thought your reply was from him. I'm going to blame it on fatigue

 

[KiddDynomite]

I'm looking for answers from guys on the pay hit. Every time I run the numbers, at least for my situation, I don't see equalling my current salary until years four through seven depending on which numbers you use, either the current payscales or a parity with Delta. The money lost is huge until a parity is made and therefore the time value of money lost on investments I would have to put on hold in order to meet current living expenses. BTW my life style is far from extravagant!

So the questions to answer are is it worth making the jump at 45. I see it worth it for someone at 35 but that 10 years make a world of difference. If it wasn't for bad timing I wouldn't have any timing at all!

 

[General Lee]

Not a third lister d-bag.

Yeah, but there are a lot of West guys stuck in the right seat in PHX hired before you. The NIC award must have put you near the bottom. No wonder you oppose the binding award.

And why are you calling third listers "D-bags?" (Above)


Looks like you have a lot to lose should the NIC be implemented. Explains a lot.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[JumpersAway]

KiddDynomite- age has far less to do with earnings potential than will your current place of employment. Are you military, regional pilot, corporate, or LCC? If you can elaborate, you will likely gain better advise, unless you're just looking to stir the pot. At 45, you will have 20 solid years of airline flying, and a captain bid on a wide body is not off the table for you. Where would you be within that 20 years at your current place of employment, and what will the payscales be like then, do you guess?

Sure, if the numbers don't work at the current moment for you, then they just don't work. You may choose to wait on DAL or UAL to call. That's fine too. However, 11000 other applicants are choosing not to. With only 4 large passenger carriers to choose from, it's best to get in the game and try them all, in my opinion. The financial decision to move on to USAirways was a tough one for me. I knew what I was getting into in regard to the pay. However, I also refused to bet my entire future on unknown job interviews and chance. Every day that I stood by and waited on DAL or UAL was a number lost at USAirways/American. Simple fact remains that great people haven't made it through the process at other airlines, when I felt they should have. Are you willing to wager your future on these two airlines?

 

[General Lee]

Agree completely Jump. A toxic envirnment is self induced. I have had a great time flying with the guys here. Some real good times. I passed an older Captain in CLT who was clearly headed to the crew room. He was on the other side of the concourse with a big smile on his face. I nodded as we passed he pointed at me and said "you headed home buddy?" Is said yup. He said "alright man! Have a good one." A guy like that brings that attitude with him. I was impressed.

And look how much money that East Capt has lost since their squabble started? Old pay rates for an extra 7-8 years. Less money put into his 401K. Sounds like an idiot to me. But, he did "contain" the Westies in PHX! Wow, good for him! Time to retire! What a dumb arse!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[JumpersAway]

General- get off it already............. Why not contribute an answer that is more in line with the thread title? Don't you proclaim your joy in "enlightenment" often????? The entire board knows how you feel about the "NIC", over and over and over and over and over and over and over......................

 

[General Lee]

General- get off it already............. Why not contribute an answer that is more in line with the thread title? Don't you proclaim your joy in "enlightenment" often????? The entire board knows how you feel about the "NIC", over and over and over and over and over and over and over......................

Prospective newhires don't. They should know more about this before their big choice. It's a public service. You're welcome. It appears you are the one who wants to hide this mess.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bringupthebird]

BringUpTheBird- the toxic work environment is self induced because that is what you choose .

No the toxic environment is yet to come when crews are merged. You and those you have enabled through your indifference have robbed every west pilot of 7 years of advancement. There are few willing to forgive the lost ability to bid vacations with their families or upgrade to the position they would have held absent USAPA. . Why shouldn't your buddy on the east give you such a hearty welcome? You have helped him in his goal of destroying the careers of the west pilots. You will have earned the cold welcome to come when you fly with a west pilot who can never recoup what you chose to take from him.

So please stop trying to sell their little plot of land you've chosen to salt.

 

[get2flyin]

No difference really. Everyone that came to MDA through the flow-thru came from Piedmont. And before the first class went, they knew they were being added to the ML seniority list. That was the deal.

Yawn. Here we go again.

 

[The Drizzle]

No the toxic environment is yet to come when crews are merged. You and those you have enabled through your indifference have robbed every west pilot of 7 years of advancement. There are few willing to forgive the lost ability to bid vacations with their families or upgrade to the position they would have held absent USAPA. . Why shouldn't your buddy on the east give you such a hearty welcome? You have helped him in his goal of destroying the careers of the west pilots. You will have earned the cold welcome to come when you fly with a west pilot who can never recoup what you chose to take from him.

So please stop trying to sell their little plot of land you've chosen to salt.

yay! blaming newhires!

 

[ALGFLYR]

Yawn. Here we go again.

Here we go again? What are you talking about? Someone asked if there was anyone hired after 9/11 but before the US/AWA merger in 2005. And there was in fact around 100 flow-thru's that were added to the ML seniority list in 2004. It was a simple answer to a simple question.

 

[get2flyin]

Here we go again? What are you talking about? Someone asked if there was anyone hired after 9/11 but before the US/AWA merger in 2005. And there was in fact around 100 flow-thru's that were added to the ML seniority list in 2004. It was a simple answer to a simple question.

If I asked an AA pilot about "pilots on property", I don't think he'd tell me about how many Eagle pilots there are.

 

[ALGFLYR]

If I asked an AA pilot about "pilots on property", I don't think he'd tell me about how many Eagle pilots there are.

Not following you. That AA pilot would tell you about the Eagle flows that actually flowed and were on the property. Not the Eagle pilots that had not flowed. So are the Eagle pilots that flowed and on the AA ML seniority list not considered AA pilots?