Industry Sellouts flying Allegiant Metal while they're in Negotiations?

[Chuck Steak]

Industry Sellouts flying Allegiant Metal while we're in Negotiations?

Rumor has it that guys are being paid to reposition Allegiant metal while under contract negotiations. Is it true?:uzi:

 

[labbats]

Don't forget about the test flights too.

Both true.

 

[BentOver]

Rumor has it that guys are being paid to reposition Allegiant metal while under contract negotiations. Is it true?:uzi:

Allegiant isn't on strike and it seems nothing in their contract prevents a/c to be flown by pilots not on the ALG seniority list... ( as far as I've read here)

Sucks, but until the contract is locked up tighter, it'll continue...

 

[pilotyip]

NWA had non-seniority list pilots ferrying their airplanes all the time to and from Depots

 

[Mr Wu]

They were JetBlue pilots and they pushed back onto an active taxiway without a clearance. Feds and their chief pilot are investigating. :blush:

 

[Dizel8]

They were JetBlue pilots and they pushed back onto an active taxiway without a clearance. Feds and their chief pilot are investigating. :blush:

JetBlue pilots?

 

[Nevets]

Contract? Did they vote in a union?

 

[citabriapilot]

Both JetBlue and USAir pilots have been flying Allegiant A-320's for repositioning...

 

[Dizel8]

Both JetBlue and USAir pilots have been flying Allegiant A-320's for repositioning...

I would imagine, at least as JetBlue is concerned, that it's some of our part 91 pilots.

Certainly can't imagine it being any line pilot.

Btw, the JetBlue pilots overwhelmingly voted to be represented by a CBA, part 91 pilots will hopefully soon be a thing of the past.

 

[crash312]

Both JetBlue and USAir pilots have been flying Allegiant A-320's for repositioning...

I'll assume you are talking about retired pilots?

 

[Chuck Steak]

I'll assume you are talking about retired pilots?

Nope, Very Active pilots!!!

 

[BuckMurdock1]

How in the world are the teamsters & the ALGT line pilot membership allowing this?!? I certainly hope that there is some sort of official LOA issued by IBT & Local expressly allowing non-ALGT seniority pilots to repo their metal.
Never mind the fact that these w************************* from other airlines are doing this.

 

[labbats]

How can we stop something when our contract has nothing in it regarding scope?

We get $20/hr to deadhead. Seriously.

We get $80/day for training. Seriously.

We get $0 for home study. Seriously

We got PBS forced on us during negotiations. Seriously.

We get under 4 hours of vacation/sick time combined a month. Seriously

People have been TDY for over a year. There is nothing in our contract about TDY rules. So the same people keep getting sent away from home with $1/hr per diem. Seriously.

Our pay rates are among the lowest in the industry while our company is consistently one of the most profitable. Seriously.

People who don't work here just have no concept of how little is in our contract and now we have people from other airlines flying our planes while in contract negotiations. Please stop.

 

[Fins Up]

If current JB pilots on the seniority list are flying these flights, I'd love to know who they are.

 

[Mr Wu]

If current JB pilots on the seniority list are flying these flights, I'd love to know who they are.

A procedure is now in place that we will have pictures of these pilots in our cockpits that will be sent to the Teamsters, ALPA, and their CP.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

A procedure is now in place that we will have pictures of these pilots in our cockpits that will be sent to the Teamsters, ALPA, and their CP.

Glad to hear this procedure is in place. Let's face it- there are many amongst us (not just in our industry, but in life generally) who don't think twice about how their immediate financial gain might negatively effect others...until it ends up biting them in the ass. If the CP notification is true..they could likely be fired by their airline if they didn't get their CPs approval first (and then claim the block hours against commercial flying FAR limits).

 

[Chuck Steak]

In reality, How is this really any different than Maury outsourcing all of Allegiant's scheduled flying? :smash:

 

[Blue Dude]

There are a few non seniority list pilots that JetBlue hires to move planes around on some part 91 legs. Maybe it's the same guys. We need names though. If they are JetBlue line pilots they could easily be in violation of company policy and FAR 117.

Even if it's legal it's a pretty douchy thing to do.

 

[trip]

Lets hope they didn't jumpseat around to do it.

 

[Limeyflyer]

Wow, it better not be some of our jetblue line pilots. Hopefully we can be done with the C91 pilots soon at B6.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Wow, it better not be some of our jetblue line pilots. Hopefully we can be done with the C91 pilots soon at B6.

What are C91 pilots?

 

[Limeyflyer]

What Blue Dude said above.

 

[clickclickboom]

Let me add some clarity here.

Jetblue markets to retired usairways and retired jetblue pilots that are typed and current. They pay a paltry $500 a day to move 170k lb airplanes empty around our system and to and from heavy maintenance. We typically use reserve fo's for this as well as they are essentially free labor.

There are approximately 35 of these pilots. They are over 65 obviously only fly empty repos

They need to be removed immediately from our cockpits

 

[Blue Dude]

There are approximately 35 of these pilots. They are over 65 obviously only fly empty repos

They need to be removed immediately from our cockpits

No argument there, but there are only about a dozen of them currently. It doesn't make it right, but there's not a large cadre of repo pilots.

 

[citabriapilot]

Rode on Virgin America today and he said he was recently contacted and offered $1,000 to ferry an Allegiant Airbus...

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Rode on Virgin America today and he said he was recently contacted and offered $1,000 to ferry an Allegiant Airbus...

Did he say how ALGT got his info? Did he say he was gonna do it? I work for Virgin and can try to actively discourage this through the ranks. There is a subset of pilots here who frankly are the types who would do something like this and not only not think twice about it but actually boast about it. (One is a LCA who is not liked here/former freedom air ground-floorer/and whose son is a current ALGT captain. He is known for doing redeye turn line checks for extra $)

 

[BEECH-SLAPPED]

Did he say how ALGT got his info? Did he say he was gonna do it? I work for Virgin and can try to actively discourage this through the ranks. There is a subset of pilots here who frankly are the types who would do something like this and not only not think twice about it but actually boast about it. (One is a LCA who is not liked here/former freedom air ground-floorer/and whose son is a current ALGT captain. He is known for doing redeye turn line checks for extra $)

Every airline has these prostitutes who will trade their mothers for an 8hr block open trip. Due to the horrendous pay scale here at Allegiant, we seem to have more than our fair share. Many of these guys are very senior and have never really experienced the bottom 2/3 of the seniority list for any appreciable length of time. We have one 757 captain who brags to his starving FO's about letting his house go (which he could definitely afford), how great it is to be so senior, and how much money he makes by picking up open time. The only consolation about an airline going out of business is to see toolbags like this end up on the street.

 

[BRA]

shots fired!

 

[BentOver]

Every airline has these prostitutes who will trade their mothers for an 8hr block open trip. Due to the horrendous pay scale here at Allegiant, we seem to have more than our fair share. Many of these guys are very senior and have never really experienced the bottom 2/3 of the seniority list for any appreciable length of time. We have one 757 captain who brags to his starving FO's about letting his house go (which he could definitely afford), how great it is to be so senior, and how much money he makes by picking up open time. The only consolation about an airline going out of business is to see toolbags like this end up on the street.

Has anyone informed him that he likely makes barely more than a 75/76 FO at most other companies?

 

[linepilot]

Pilot whoores who do this kind of thing while real pilots are trying to achieve real progress for their families should be crucified.

No protection.

You want to go out and whore yourself then be prepared to get kicked to the curb by your fellow pilots and your union.

Protecting guys like this should be out of the question.