JetBlue Pilots... don't listen to Barger!!!!

[tailhookah]

You've by majority listened to him for all or part of 15 years. Has he fulfilled his promises of industry standard? That's for you to decide. I say hell no. Not even close. You are in the end game. If you let the company win this you'll be 0-3 and out for quite awhile. Most of you have voted yes or no by now. But there are still some of you out there who are "on the fence". Don't fall for the exec rhetoric.

Barger is a Lorenzo disciple. He backstabbed Neeleman. Do you think he cares about making you guys whole on his promises? Hell no! How's that PTO vs. industry. Retirement. Medical. Hotels... they've all been in the $hitter forever. He want's you to be 1 piece of pizza away from rioting at any given time. Don't fall for it.

Take your future into your hands... not the hands of exec. crooks who get bonuses for keeping you cheap and on the same healthcare as your rampers...

Good luck in the end game Blue Pilots.

I hope for the best.

Tailhookah

 

[B6Busdriver]

I've voted yes for the third time. Momentum seems good bit cautiously optimistic here.

 

[B6Driver]

You've by majority listened to him for all or part of 15 years. Has he fulfilled his promises of industry standard? That's for you to decide. I say hell no. Not even close. You are in the end game. If you let the company win this you'll be 0-3 and out for quite awhile. Most of you have voted yes or no by now. But there are still some of you out there who are "on the fence". Don't fall for the exec rhetoric.

Barger is a Lorenzo disciple. He backstabbed Neeleman. Do you think he cares about making you guys whole on his promises? Hell no! How's that PTO vs. industry. Retirement. Medical. Hotels... they've all been in the $hitter forever. He want's you to be 1 piece of pizza away from rioting at any given time. Don't fall for it.

Take your future into your hands... not the hands of exec. crooks who get bonuses for keeping you cheap and on the same healthcare as your rampers...

Good luck in the end game Blue Pilots.

I hope for the best.

Tailhookah

Why do you even care...move on with your life.
I don't disagree though.

 

[viper01]

Why do you even care...move on with your life.
I don't disagree though.

Cause maybe he spent 9 years at jb and has many friends still here. Caring about his buddies and their futures. Only if we had 2600 here with his passion.

 

[Skippy]

itll pass by 61%

 

[Fins Up]

You've by majority listened to him for all or part of 15 years. Has he fulfilled his promises of industry standard? That's for you to decide. I say hell no. Not even close. You are in the end game. If you let the company win this you'll be 0-3 and out for quite awhile. Most of you have voted yes or no by now. But there are still some of you out there who are "on the fence". Don't fall for the exec rhetoric.

Barger is a Lorenzo disciple. He backstabbed Neeleman. Do you think he cares about making you guys whole on his promises? Hell no! How's that PTO vs. industry. Retirement. Medical. Hotels... they've all been in the $hitter forever. He want's you to be 1 piece of pizza away from rioting at any given time. Don't fall for it.

Take your future into your hands... not the hands of exec. crooks who get bonuses for keeping you cheap and on the same healthcare as your rampers...

Good luck in the end game Blue Pilots.

I hope for the best.

Tailhookah

I came to JB from the military eight years ago and was completely anti-union. These eight years have shown me why people say, "A company gets the union it deserves." Our management team has bought this union with its constant stream of lies and general slimy behavior. I am still fully against the need for a union, but that doesn't get you very far in big business.

I look forward to having ALPA's resources available to us so our committees (JetBlue pilots elected by JetBlue pilots) can work professionally and productively with our leadership to produce a contract that has the appropriate benefits and language our group deserves.

 

[bluesideup340]

Our management team has bought this union with its constant stream of lies and general slimy behavior. .

Give it time, as soon as you have ALPA in place for a year or two you will complain about the constant stream of lies and general slimy behavior of your MEC and ALPA national.

I look forward to having ALPA's resources available to us so our committees (JetBlue pilots elected by JetBlue pilots) can work professionally and productively with our leadership to produce a contract that has the appropriate benefits and language our group deserves.

And I have a bridge in New York for sale, just for you. Unfortunately, you have no idea how unions, and ALPA in particular, work. I have yet to see a Union that works professionally and productively to produce for the membership.

 

[B6Driver]

Give it time, as soon as you have ALPA in place for a year or two you will complain about the constant stream of lies and general slimy behavior of your MEC and ALPA national.



And I have a bridge in New York for sale, just for you. Unfortunately, you have no idea how unions, and ALPA in particular, work. I have yet to see a Union that works professionally and productively to produce for the membership.

I totally agree with this as well!

Everything in balance, I guess.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Give it time, as soon as you have ALPA in place for a year or two you will complain about the constant stream of lies and general slimy behavior of your MEC and ALPA national.



And I have a bridge in New York for sale, just for you. Unfortunately, you have no idea how unions, and ALPA in particular, work. I have yet to see a Union that works professionally and productively to produce for the membership.

Let me ask you a couple questions. Are you a major or legacy pilot? If so, would you give up your union representation to let your management team tell you what you get? Or do you enjoy the fact that you get a say in your future through negotiation. I know the answer. Either you would never give up your union for a Directed relationship, or you fly for JetBlue and are getting some special deal that you don't want to lose. Do yourself some research and go see how we'll unions have worked at Alaska, and Spirit. You know, airlines our size. Go see what kind of health care Alaska has and there profit sharing check they get each year. Or the awesome work rules Spirit works under. Maybe the pay rates and reserve rules Delta has. All ALPA, all better than the BS the DR has decided keeps us from revolting and shutting the place down. Do some research of present day issues vs just saying ALPA was mean to me 15 years ago at USAIR or TWA

 

[B6Driver]

Let me ask you a couple questions. Are you a major or legacy pilot? If so, would you give up your union representation to let your management team tell you what you get? Or do you enjoy the fact that you get a say in your future through negotiation. I know the answer. Either you would never give up your union for a Directed relationship, or you fly for JetBlue and are getting some special deal that you don't want to lose. Do yourself some research and go see how we'll unions have worked at Alaska, and Spirit. You know, airlines our size. Go see what kind of health care Alaska has and there profit sharing check they get each year. Or the awesome work rules Spirit works under. Maybe the pay rates and reserve rules Delta has. All ALPA, all better than the BS the DR has decided keeps us from revolting and shutting the place down. Do some research of present day issues vs just saying ALPA was mean to me 15 years ago at USAIR or TWA

Bluesideup340 was just describing our future and what you have to look forward to. ALPA has let many dues paying members down over the past so don't stop with your overly simplistic list of who you say they were mean to because you come off sounding like a fool and uninformed. If you did some of that research you speak about, you would know Blueside's correct. Nobody ever said the DR was better or even equitable but ALPA still has many dysfunctions and we will quickly grow to hate them as well. The only difference is that we must pay extra for this requested aggravation. The vote's all but over and the victor will be announced shortly. Lets hope we all voted correctly, time will tell.

 

[johnsonrod]

Give it time, as soon as you have ALPA in place for a year or two you will complain about the constant stream of lies and general slimy behavior of your MEC and ALPA national.



And I have a bridge in New York for sale, just for you. Unfortunately, you have no idea how unions, and ALPA in particular, work. I have yet to see a Union that works professionally and productively to produce for the membership.

All of the legacies that pay far better than JB have unions. SWA operates similar sized airplanes and route structure to JB and their pilots are paid FAR BETTER than JB pilots - and they have a union. Do you really think the anemic health benefits offered at JB will magically get better without union pressure?

 

[ricj41]

I don't get all those guys who hate ALPA thus JB shouldn't have a union/contract.
Is ALPA perfect, heck no but so what? That's not the question you're being asked. It's no union or a union. JB pilots already have a seniority list and can't improve their position or quality of life via merit or ability (which is the down side of having a union) but their work rules and pay are at the wim of management.
A union gets you a written contract. That's the positive of having a union.
The pilots who are anti ALPA are really anti written, legally binding contract. Just because the union you're voting in isn't perfect is not a reason to not have it.
The real question is - Do you want a binding enforceable contract or not. ALPA, by default, is the only union able and willing to do that for you now.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

A lot of the jB pilots had binding enforceable contracts that included things like furlough protection, minimum block hours, minimum fleet count, merger protections etc. they saw those evaporate due to "force majeur" after 9/11 or as a part of a bAAd merger. While they were furloughed age 65 was instituted, delaying their recall. All of this while an armada of RJs darkened the skies and narrow body airliners (formerly mainline) were parked in the desert - the result of scope being sold. ALPA reps held meetings at expensive golf resorts far from any airport... They were on flight pay loss so long that some grew beards. They can't be blamed for being apprehensive. Doesn't mean they are right or wrong - just means you should try to understand the genesis of their vote.

 

[Fins Up]

Give it time, as soon as you have ALPA in place for a year or two you will complain about the constant stream of lies and general slimy behavior of your MEC and ALPA national.



And I have a bridge in New York for sale, just for you. Unfortunately, you have no idea how unions, and ALPA in particular, work. I have yet to see a Union that works professionally and productively to produce for the membership.

Of course we'll complain. We're pilots. That's what we do. I reeeeally hope you're not one of the few who still believes in the directed relationship. Considering how it has failed us time and time again, that would really show you're lack of critical thinking.

My expectations are tempered. I'm not asking for perfect. I'm asking for better. I'm 100% sure we can achieve that by dispensing with our current system and moving on to a CBA.

 

[tailhookah]

Every Delta guy I talk to who supports the DPA movement agree with the fact that they'd rather have Alpa than Jetblue's $hitty directed relationship. ALL of them laugh at the Jetblue DR "contract" and think you guys are chumps for holding out this long union free.

They all agree that Alpa is way better than what you have... they also agree that maybe things will be a little better (dues savings) for Delta pilots by voting in the DPA. It's different here... not one person has agreed that going in-house at Jetblue is a good idea. You Bobs (like b6driver) think an in-house will work... don't be a chump. It wont. Do what you want... but a turnkey operation is what you need.

Unions evil? No. Perfect? No. Show me a US company, union free that has it better than the DR... How's that premium pay working for you? How about health care?

Man up.

Tailhookah

 

[ricj41]

A lot of the jB pilots had binding enforceable contracts that included things like furlough protection, minimum block hours, minimum fleet count, merger protections etc. they saw those evaporate due to "force majeur" after 9/11 or as a part of a bAAd merger. While they were furloughed age 65 was instituted, delaying their recall. All of this while an armada of RJs darkened the skies and narrow body airliners (formerly mainline) were parked in the desert - the result of scope being sold. ALPA reps held meetings at expensive golf resorts far from any airport... They were on flight pay loss so long that some grew beards. They can't be blamed for being apprehensive. Doesn't mean they are right or wrong - just means you should try to understand the genesis of their vote.

But what does this have to do with anything? Do the JB pilots want a binding legal contract that may have holes and issues or no protections at all like they currently have?
That's the question. This shouldn't be a referendum on ALPA. It's them or nothing.

 

[N311HK]

You remember when premium pay was above 70hrs?

 

[B6Busdriver]

You remember when premium pay was above 70hrs?

Yes, I do. Gone like so many other things.

 

[Splert]

A lot of the jB pilots had binding enforceable contracts that included things like furlough protection, minimum block hours, minimum fleet count, merger protections etc. they saw those evaporate due to "force majeur" after 9/11 or as a part of a bAAd merger. While they were furloughed age 65 was instituted, delaying their recall. All of this while an armada of RJs darkened the skies and narrow body airliners (formerly mainline) were parked in the desert - the result of scope being sold. ALPA reps held meetings at expensive golf resorts far from any airport... They were on flight pay loss so long that some grew beards. They can't be blamed for being apprehensive. Doesn't mean they are right or wrong - just means you should try to understand the genesis of their vote.

If you look at the darkest time in our nation and point to that as what will always occur then you are just a fear monger. Didn't DALPA just reduce the number of ASM flown by RJ along with contract improvements across the board?

How about some perspective. The airlines were CRUSHED after 9/11. Nothing was supposed to change after revenue disappeared for years?

The reason BlueJet pilots did have to give stuff back is because they were not given anything in the first place. If they has a SWAPA level contact at that point Bluejet would have need concessions too.

 

[$$$4nothin]

It's all a moot point now fellas. ALPA already has 50%+1. JB ALPA starts in 6 days. Lets just work on getting 90%+ of our group signed up as an ALPA member.