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[Rupert.]

CL300

This is above my pay grade. But IMHO the IBT would ask DAC via LOA to maintain your pay and negotiate fence agreements. No loss of pay or seat.

This is BS and you know it. The IBT wouldnt agree to let us Hawker and X guys keep our pay when the company wanted to pay protect us. There is no way they are going to allow you to stay at your current salary.

You Flex guys need to ask yourself, if KR's end goal is to get rid of this union, then why would he screw you over after it is voted out? You also need to realize that he wasn't the one that made this place become unionized, that was MS.

 

[GooseHZ]

Flex is not shedding aircraft and the Flex pilots didn't vote for the contract Phil. The Union and the company where following the contract...until the company tried to pull the pay protection move that was pure Union busting 101. No contract that I know of protects pay after a fleet type is removed from service. The Union didn't sell your Hawker Phil the company did. How can you represent a pilot group when you don't even want to follow the contract as it's written?

 

[chainring]

Flex is not shedding aircraft and the Flex pilots didn't vote for the contract Phil. The Union and the company where following the contract...until the company tried to pull the pay protection move that was pure Union busting 101. No contract that I know of protects pay after a fleet type is removed from service. The Union didn't sell your Hawker Phil the company did. How can you represent a pilot group when you don't even want to follow the contract as it's written?

Hahaha. Phil and his management stooges are a joke. God help us all if the Flexjet group buys into any of his crap. Oh yeah please let Ed May the biggest back stabber around represent me when I get called in for not going over 14 hours .

 

[Necromonger]

So, let me get this straight... You guys are asking the Flex guys to vote in your 1108? Then, they too can tag along to the worst contract in the industry.
Wow... That sound wonderful. Where do I sign up for that huge paycut and A$$ reaming?

 

[chief9404]

So, let me get this straight... You guys are asking the Flex guys to vote in your 1108? Then, they too can tag along to the worst contract in the industry.
Wow... That sound wonderful. Where do I sign up for that huge paycut and A$$ reaming?

The contract is more than just pay. Just look at how bad NJA's pay was until the 1108 renegotiated the second contract. Flops contract was signed at a time when the economy was in a downturn. There is only 1 year left and it can only get better.

DAC owns many companies. They give 401k matches to all of them except Flops. Flops consists of union and non union employees. To punish the entire company including non union employees do to his dislike of the 1108 is deplorable. I will never trust them. I've never cared for unions but here it's a necessary evil.

 

[chief9404]

This is BS and you know it. The IBT wouldnt agree to let us Hawker and X guys keep our pay when the company wanted to pay protect us. There is no way they are going to allow you to stay at your current salary.

You Flex guys need to ask yourself, if KR's end goal is to get rid of this union, then why would he screw you over after it is voted out? You also need to realize that he wasn't the one that made this place become unionized, that was MS.

You sir are either dumb or clueless. Let me explain this to you.

In order to deviate from a contract a LOA must be signed. Any deviation without a LOA can be detrimental to the contract. If a deviation precedent has been allowed the company would continue to violate the contract and the union would have no recourse.

Why don't you go read a arbitration ruling. I bet one of the first things the arbitrator will ask the union. Has there ever been a deviation allowed?

I would bet your one of the naive pilots trying to start an in-house union. If you are, just be aware your leading them off a cliff.

 

[Necromonger]

Interesting...
Is there a good reason why the 1108 didn't fight to get this LOA? Why wasn't the initial contract worded to protect folks from fleet retirement? This is aviation. Did your 1108 leadership think that you would operate those particular aircraft forever?

Instead, the 1108 leadership buried their heads in the sand, and asked those guys to take one for the team. No matter what, a bad deal all around for the pilot group.

Leadership can make or break a union.... Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

 

[GooseHZ]

NO contract has pay protection for retiring fleet types. That's why the COMPANY puts the language in and the Union signed off on it. Standard language....ask anyone who knows more than you about negotiating new contacts.

 

[GooseHZ]

Nec

Let's me ask you this.

After 5yrs the globals being retired. Just didn't work out. Your a CL300 pic making 165k.....The global pic was making 210k....he is now a CL300 pilot making 210k on a airframe that doesn't produce the same revenue for the company and he's doing the same job you are.

Are you ok with this?

Next

I challenge you to find ANY management team ANYWHERE that would put that language in a contract.

You can't. It's a dead issue brought up by folks who don't understand or who are anti-union.

 

[GooseHZ]

Did management think they would have Hawkers forever? Why did management hide their heads in the sand and screw those pilots? They should have known about that years in advance! Why did management sign the contract with that in there!!?

(That was sarcasm in case you missed it)