Goodbye usapa!!!!!!

[Turtle21]

It appears US Airways, Inc. wants a 3-way:

US Airways, as the Intervenor in the Addington II DFR lawsuit, filed a petition is Judge Silver's courtroom today. US Airways, aka as American Airlines, is seeking:

INTERVENOR US AIRWAYS, INC.?S MOTION TO CORRECT COURT?S JUDGMENT PURSUANT TO FEDERAL RULE OF CIVIL PROCEDURE 60(A) AND TO MODIFY COURT?S ORDER PURSUANT TO RULES 52(B) AND 59(E).

A three way is what the company and the plaintiff asked for in the trial. They lost. The judge denied the West any separate representation, and she did so by the terms of the MB statute itself. She declared such a request to be unlawful. Why would the company toss in a last minute motion to have the judge reverse herself (and effectively ask her to write words that encourage a violation of the statute) after the trial is already finished? I would suggest a careful reading of the request shows the company wants Silver to amplify the fact that the order (that ruled on the meaning of the MB statute) is binding on the West Class, thus assuring that the SLI will go on as the MOU states and the MB statute provides.

 

[pave driver]

A three way is what the company and the plaintiff asked for in the trial. They lost. The judge denied the West any separate representation, and she did so by the terms of the MB statute itself. She declared such a request to be unlawful. Why would the company toss in a last minute motion to have the judge reverse herself (and effectively ask her to write words that encourage a violation of the statute) after the trial is already finished? I would suggest a careful reading of the request shows the company wants Silver to amplify the fact that the order (that ruled on the meaning of the MB statute) is binding on the West Class, thus assuring that the SLI will go on as the MOU states and the MB statute provides.

Agreed.

Have you read the Proposed APA Protocol Agreement?

 

[Turtle21]

Agreed.



Have you read the Proposed APA Protocol Agreement?

I have not seen a copy.. and wouldn't put much stock in negotiating proposals, alleged or actual.

 

[abefly]

I have not seen a copy.. and wouldn't put much stock in negotiating proposals, alleged or actual.

Ut oh.... Snip Snip.....

 

[Jim]

I have not seen a copy.. and wouldn't put much stock in negotiating proposals, alleged or actual.

Especially if they have the wording binding in them.....

 

[Turtle21]

Especially if they have the wording binding in them.....

Everything is negotiable. That's just life.

 

[HowardBorden]

Especially if they have the wording binding in them.....

Everything is negotiable. That's just life.

Actually I agree that everything IS negotiable. The only problem is it is only negotiable prior to signing on the dotted line, then it is no longer up to negotiation!

bind-ing (bīn′dĭng)- Imposing or commanding adherence to a commitment, an obligation, or a duty: binding arbitration; a binding agreement.

 

[Turtle21]

Actually I agree that everything IS negotiable. The only problem is it is only negotiable prior to signing on the dotted line, then it is no longer up to negotiation!

bind-ing (bīn′dĭng)- Imposing or commanding adherence to a commitment, an obligation, or a duty: binding arbitration; a binding agreement.

We negotiated all the terms. One specific provision was that the agreement itself was negotiable, until the terms to make it binding occurred, which they never did. C'est la vie.

 

[PCL_128]

Actually I agree that everything IS negotiable. The only problem is it is only negotiable prior to signing on the dotted line, then it is no longer up to negotiation!

bind-ing (bīn′dĭng)- Imposing or commanding adherence to a commitment, an obligation, or a duty: binding arbitration; a binding agreement.

Oh, the irony!

 

[Ocity]

A three way is what the company and the plaintiff asked for in the trial. They lost. The judge denied the West any separate representation, and she did so by the terms of the MB statute itself. She declared such a request to be unlawful. Why would the company toss in a last minute motion to have the judge reverse herself (and effectively ask her to write words that encourage a violation of the statute) after the trial is already finished? I would suggest a careful reading of the request shows the company wants Silver to amplify the fact that the order (that ruled on the meaning of the MB statute) is binding on the West Class, thus assuring that the SLI will go on as the MOU states and the MB statute provides.

The APA will be your new CBA. USAPA and whatever proposals they were in favor for are soon dead. The APA has a DFR to all pilots and the company is equally responsible to provide a fair process. Both of those things USAPA has deliberately failed miserably at. That's why silver ordered your scab union into lame duck status and is on death watch. If the APA allows for a west committee to introduce the Nic and argue for it there is absolutely nothing you or your scab former union can do to stop it. The APA is insisting on a 3 way arbitration. I've seen their protocol proposal. That's why you don't now, or ever will even get a protocol agreement let alone a negotiated list.

See, it's a democracy. Whatever the majority wants gets it. Remember?

 

[Bringupthebird]

USAPA's whining about being hustled off on the ice flow, yet they had 8 years to prove they could represent ALL the pilots and secure gains.
They failed.

Will the east pilots remember these dopes when it comes time for them to elect base reps? Likely there will be enough AA pilots to dilute the CLT PHL DCA votes anyhow. Perhaps they will gerrymander the representation to be just east (MIA/JFK/misc.) and west (ORD/DFW/LAX).

Turtle, you can cast your vote for a MIA rep to look out for your interests. Oh, and go to the Grievance Granny's going awAAy party. You paid for it!

 

[get2flyin]

Everything is negotiable. That's just life.

Including your seniority?

 

[becket]

Including your seniority?

Of course!!! as long as he gets to negotiate away somebody else's seniority everything is fine.

Scumbag MF'er.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Scumbag MF'er.

I think that's his vanity plate on his rusted out Chevette.

 

[Turtle21]

Including your seniority?

Name one seniority method that is not a negotiated contract provision.

 

[get2flyin]

Name one seniority method that is not a negotiated contract provision.

Name one that's been reshuffled after the fact.

 

[Ocity]

Name one that's been reshuffled after the fact.

By will of a majority that benefits from a staple job...from an airline that was weeks from closing its doors with more pilots on furlough than America west had total. Nic. Got it right, so will the next panel.

 

[abefly]

NIC will not be the starting point in this arbitration. The NIC will be corrected for 7 years of fences created by a false union. There is a very small pool of arbitrators , most of which have worked with or have been mentored by George Nicolau. The East will be lucky to get the NIC.

 

[St. Nic]

NIC will not be the starting point in this arbitration. The NIC will be corrected for 7 years of fences created by a false union. There is a very small pool of arbitrators , most of which have worked with or have been mentored by George Nicolau. The East will be lucky to get the NIC.

Ha ha ha ha. Nice try Westicles. Nice try. This is how it's going to go. Usapa and APA will reach a protocal agreement shortly that doesn't use arbitration and Usapa will pass a blended east west list usin the February 2013 snapshot date. Dave Odell is on the bottom of the west list and he will be placed next to a 2013 hire. Fair is fair right?
You can sue Usapa all you want but Usapa will be gone. Who you westicles gonna sue then? Game over! Should have negotiated at wye river. Now you get what you deserve!!!

 

[St. Nic]

Name one that's been reshuffled after the fact.

United!

 

[Ocity]

Ha ha ha ha. Nice try Westicles. Nice try. This is how it's going to go. Usapa and APA will reach a protocal agreement shortly that doesn't use arbitration and Usapa will pass a blended east west list usin the February 2013 snapshot date. Dave Odell is on the bottom of the west list and he will be placed next to a 2013 hire. Fair is fair right?
You can sue Usapa all you want but Usapa will be gone. Who you westicles gonna sue then? Game over! Should have negotiated at wye river. Now you get what you deserve!!!

You won't see a protocol agreement. Your fake union is already history. You're going to wish you'd taken the Nic when this is over.

 

[St. Nic]

Keep dreaming westicle. Keep dreaming.
APA wants nothing to do with the Nic. Take your lottery ticket and stick it where the sun don't shine!!!

 

[TWA Dude]

More accurately, APA wants nothing to do with a sure-win DFR suit from the West. That means the Nic list is it.

If you think we're dreaming you're about to experience a real nightmare. Gear up that CIRP, the heavily deluded like you will need it.

 

[Turtle21]

More accurately, APA wants nothing to do with a sure-win DFR suit from the West. That means the Nic list is it.

If you think we're dreaming you're about to experience a real nightmare. Gear up that CIRP, the heavily deluded like you will need it.

APA afraid of a lawsuit. HaHaHaHaHa!

 

[Jim]

APA afraid of a lawsuit. HaHaHaHaHa!

I doubt APA is afraid of a lawsuit, it's probably more likely they don't want to spend their money because of USAPA's BS and lack of integrity.

 

[Ocity]

I doubt APA is afraid of a lawsuit, it's probably more likely they don't want to spend their money because of USAPA's BS and lack of integrity.

Maybe not "afraid" but "not stupid". Sane unions don't see a decade long multi million dollar court battle all the while being paid less than some turbo prop outfits as a wise use of the dues money they have an obligation to use in the best interests of the pilot group whom they must FAIRLY REPRESENT.

So. The APA probably isn't as interested as ****************************** has been to destroy their own careers and live inside a courthouse. Once APA destroys ******************************, the fake union will probably have it's assets frozen and it's game over for those idiots.

 

[Turtle21]

I doubt APA is afraid of a lawsuit, it's probably more likely they don't want to spend their money because of USAPA's BS and lack of integrity.

All pilots have an unlimited budget when it comes to their seniority.

 

[Jim]

All pilots have an unlimited budget when it comes to their seniority.

But it's not APA's unethical seniority grab so they're not going to want to spend a dime defending you idiots and your lack of integrity.

However in the cause of what is right and to protect the pilot community in general, they might spend their money defending the west pilots.

 

[Turtle21]

But it's not APA's unethical seniority grab so they're not going to want to spend a dime defending you idiots and your lack of integrity.

However in the cause of what is right and to protect the pilot community in general, they might spend their money defending the west pilots.

APA spend their money to help another pilot group with seniority.... Because it's "right".... and because it protects the "community in general"... HaHaHaHaHa!!

You are such a comedian!!! Were you the APA lawyer trying to convince Congress that they were wasting their time on passing MB?

 

[ALGFLYR]

But it's not APA's unethical seniority grab...

So true. The APA's ethics on seniority is much, much better. It's true, just ask the TWA pilots. Or any pilot group they have merged with in the Past...