FlexJet Pay/Workrules/Benefits???

[hammer2]

Right on but I would modify the answer to question #2. They can't make us go over 14 hours EXCEPT for our last day only. Any other day of the rotation we have to agree to it.

Glad you caught that too. They cannot plan nor can we accept anything planned over 14 hrs except for last day.

 

[BlueNose]

I can remember a time when Travel Air had some nice new Hawkers and Beech Jets and Flops had the "previously enjoyed " ones.
We were all told that they would remain separate and the owners of the new TA aircraft would only fly on the new ones and Flops owners only on the old ones.
When the travel air aircraft reached 5 years they would be sent to the used fleet and their owners would fly in new aircraft that were ordered.

I forgot how that plan worked out?

Exactly, we've seen this act before.

 

[CL300Pilot]

Glad you caught that too. They cannot plan nor can we accept anything planned over 14 hrs except for last day.

One slight correction to the above. Remember, we can go up to 16 hours any day as long as the "plan" is under 14 hours. If you have an owner delay, wx delay or ATC delays we can go over 14. We however cannot exceed 16 hours. All work days with the exception of last day must be planned under 14 hours and we can only agree to extend up to 16 hours on a Part 91 plan only, and as was stated, must be agreed upon at the beginning of the day. Everything else was spot on.

 

[brokeflyer]

actually, you cant take off if you know you're going to go over 14 hours of duty. regardless of the delay. A lot of people don't understand the regulation and EVERY company exploits it to their benefit.

If you "plan" to complete the flight within your duty limits and you have atc, weather delay after take off, then you can go over 14 hours.

if the passenger calls and says he's stuck in traffic and his delay will cause you to exceed your duty time, then off to the hotel you go.

if that was a viable delay reason, then they can just claim tardiness and make up any length of duty they want, which ive seen happen.

 

[dime line]

I am so far from a company coolaide drinker as they come - yes there is always room for improvement but as far as the above questions are concerned Flex has been pretty fair about them - so far

And then there is Kenn Ricci

 

[BlueNose]

Don't underestimate Roland Wilder. He is one of the best at creating scope clauses.

For 121 pilot groups. I don't think he had any experience with 'brand partners' and agency agreements (how could he, since Kenn basically made up the concept during negotiations), or the fact that pure 91K operators are not air carriers. Kenn obviously thinks that left a hole big enough to drive a FlexJet through, and my guess is he's probably right. I assume 1108 will fight it, and a judge will ultimately decide.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

135.267? 10 hours of rest in the previous 24. How can that be another "grey area"?

 

[shanes123]

Flops makes everything a grey area.. They got a loophole for everything

 

[jetwash]

One slight correction to the above. Remember, we can go up to 16 hours any day as long as the "plan" is under 14 hours. If you have an owner delay, wx delay or ATC delays we can go over 14. We however cannot exceed 16 hours. All work days with the exception of last day must be planned under 14 hours and we can only agree to extend up to 16 hours on a Part 91 plan only, and as was stated, must be agreed upon at the beginning of the day. Everything else was spot on.

FYI

Our POI has said that if anything happens no matter how minor. The crew will get a reckless violation on their record if they are over 14 hours on duty at the time of the occurrence.

Something you might consider.

 

[shanes123]

What poi is that? And that might change when ricci shows up all smiles with a big bag of money..or threatens to move everything to Rochester NY FSDO..why you think he deals with a NY FSDO and not the CLE FSDO?

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

To make things worse RH was personally calling FO guys to offer interviews. - From Nolife. RH is a manager from Flex? How'd a Flex manager obtain a list of names & contact info on Options pilots? Separate operations, right??

 

[slowtation capt]

I have to admit, that is great that you guys get all that out of Flex, except for the last day going over 14. Before it was written to a 14 hr duty, our schedulers would exploit this to the maximimum.
Your OT is amazing, I REALLY hope for you guys that it doesn't get affected, however I am afraid though that Kenn will take that away, he firmly believes in making the pilots work to maximum potential. As they say, 14 hr duty, 10/24 hrs flying is not a limitation, it is a goal for scheduling.

 

[exagony]

I have to admit, that is great that you guys get all that out of Flex, except for the last day going over 14. Before it was written to a 14 hr duty, our schedulers would exploit this to the maximimum.
Your OT is amazing, I REALLY hope for you guys that it doesn't get affected, however I am afraid though that Kenn will take that away, he firmly believes in making the pilots work to maximum potential. As they say, 14 hr duty, 10/24 hrs flying is not a limitation, it is a goal for scheduling.

Well our scheduling department is adamant of getting us out on the very first flight of the day on day 1 - just to go to a hotel and high fives are given all around by them when they get us home at 11:59pm on last day after 6 hours of standby (when absolutely no flying going on) and the required 2 legger through CLT...

 

[V1 Rotate]

To make things worse RH was personally calling FO guys to offer interviews. - From Nolife. RH is a manager from Flex? How'd a Flex manager obtain a list of names & contact info on Options pilots? Separate operations, right??

I wouldn't read too much into how he got the list. It's no secret that the two companies are in dialogue with one another. So, for him to obtain a list of these guys should come as no surprise. It doesn't mean that we aren't separate companies.

 

[jetwash]

What's the holiday pay at Flex?
How much do you get extra for working Thanksgiving and Christmas?

Please don't ask what the Flight options policy has been for the last 15 years for holiday pay.