Go to Jetblue?

[$$$4nothin]

Disagree. That was your chance to tell management that they better improve pay and benefits or you are leaving (anonymously). From a pilots perspective, there is much more gain to bluff leaving than there is to so NO when you really are leaving.

You and I agree on most things. I am NOT defending JB. I am sick and tired of SPLERT being irrational.

Question for Splert:

If JB voted in ALPA tomorrow and we immediately sign the same contract as CAL/UAL, if you were offered jobs at BOTH airlines at the same time, which would you take and why?

Just one guy here. However I will continue to apply to every legacy and SW until JB gets a CBA and representation. The day this happens I will stop looking elsewhere for employment. My looking to other employers is a job security issue more so than most other talking points. Without proper representation and a CBA with proper merger protections I feel extremely vulnerable at JB based on airline history and personal experiences. Just 1 guy but my decision to go to another carrier rest solely on getting a CBA. So to answer your question. If we got ALPA tomorrow and voted in their contract I would gladly put the logbook away for a long time. Their contract minus the scope section of course. Then again I can potentially never work another weekend or holiday for my entire career at JB and will retire number 5. Everybody's situation and desires are different.

 

[Splert]

Yeah, you are right, I am the only one to bluff management.... In fact, you won't admit it, but I GUARANTEE you said yes to that question, and I also GUARANTEE you do NOT leave JB.

Who can argue with a liar who thinks he is a prophet?

Smarta$$ is D3. The leader of the Branchbluevidian's.

 

[1.3XVso]

Who can argue with a liar who thinks he is a prophet?

Smarta$$ is D3. The leader of the Branchbluevidian's.

Jetblue sucks...plain and simple

 

[$$$4nothin]

E-190 captain went to about 3.5 years senior. On the bright side for new hires it looks like there are about 115 open FO spots that need to be filled by new hires. New hires should also have the pick of 190 or 320 and BOS or JFK bases without any issue. Also looks like new hire reserve is running 6-7 months in the 190.

 

[Smarta$$]

Muwahahahahahah ******************************bag, our Pay rights are right on par with yours, however our W2s are considerably higher.

Anyway, I'll be a CA in 3 years so suck it

I'm not impressed. And, our most junior capt is also about 3 years, not that I consider junior upgrade time to be the only metric of a job worth having...

I asked you before, but all you said was working on your days off and maybe some reserve rule deal, but what amazing contract provisions provide you with such an outsized W2?

 

[Smarta$$]

Just one guy here. However I will continue to apply to every legacy and SW until JB gets a CBA and representation. The day this happens I will stop looking elsewhere for employment. My looking to other employers is a job security issue more so than most other talking points. Without proper representation and a CBA with proper merger protections I feel extremely vulnerable at JB based on airline history and personal experiences. Just 1 guy but my decision to go to another carrier rest solely on getting a CBA. So to answer your question. If we got ALPA tomorrow and voted in their contract I would gladly put the logbook away for a long time. Their contract minus the scope section of course. Then again I can potentially never work another weekend or holiday for my entire career at JB and will retire number 5. Everybody's situation and desires are different.

I respect your post, but I asked Splert specifically if he were offered a job at both airlines, and I thought it was clear I meant as a new hire at both.

 

[pilotpayne]

Splert, and most other JB pilots do NOT want your airline added to our peerset because your pay rates are so bad. Mind your own business big shot, your job isn't as impressive as you think.

O god you broke the first rule around here....


NEVER TALK BAD ABOUT SPIRIT......Its great over there everything is perfect.
I get a little tired of this. The peer set thing was a joke from the first guy.
Do you guys have a complex about Spirit? Its all about pay and if yours now beats jetBlue than yes we would want you to be in the peer set to up the avg.
This thread has nothing to do with Spirit. So saab you can relax and go count the days until you are a mighty airbus captain at the best lcc ever.

 

[Smarta$$]

Who can argue with a liar who thinks he is a prophet?

Smarta$$ is D3. The leader of the Branchbluevidian's.

Once again, all hat, no cattle.

 

[Smarta$$]

Jetblue sucks...plain and simple

Cute. You must be so much happier at Pinnacle.

 

[pilotpayne]

Huh? Both LCC, of course one has a good contract and 3 year upgrades a decent health care and multiple bases........

I didn't know jetBlue was down to one base.
If this is all true why did you apply to jetBlue?
I think you should tone down the cocky attitude, what is up today is down tomorrow.

 

[SAABaroowski]

I didn't know jetBlue was down to one base.
If this is all true why did you apply to jetBlue?
I think you should tone down the cocky attitude, what is up today is down tomorrow.

I applied to Jetblue because XJT was headed down the ********************ter. I also politely turned down a JB Interview (I would have went if I was still at XJT). I just found it rediculous that guys on here consider JetBlue "above" Spirit, yet you call me cocky? It's ok though, the jokes on them. There are NUMEROUS things in the CONTRACT that allow a lot of money to be made on Soft time/conflicts etc, I'm not going to list every single one of them on here.........

PS. I didn't bring Spirit I to this thread, Splert did

 

[N311HK]

FYI. 190 CA went way junior. Like 1900's out of however many we have 2400? Lots of guys passed. 320 CA went pretty low too. Feel free to speculate on reasons. I'm 7 years in and 90% gonna bail.

 

[pilotpayne]

I applied to Jetblue because XJT was headed down the ********************ter. I also politely turned down a JB Interview (I would have went if I was still at XJT). I just found it rediculous that guys on here consider JetBlue "above" Spirit, yet you call me cocky? It's ok though, the jokes on them. There are NUMEROUS things in the CONTRACT that allow a lot of money to be made on Soft time/conflicts etc, I'm not going to list every single one of them on here.........

PS. I didn't bring Spirit I to this thread, Splert did

I don't see where any jetblue guys have said they are above Spirit.
I did call you cocky because you are( about spirit). The peer set is about money....if spirit now pays the same or better than we would want them in.....its not that we think we are better. I am glad you have ways to make more money and am glad you like Spirit. Looks like it all worked out for you.

 

[SAABaroowski]

FYI. 190 CA went way junior. Like 1900's out of however many we have 2400? Lots of guys passed. 320 CA went pretty low too. Feel free to speculate on reasons. I'm 7 years in and 90% gonna bail.

After 7 years atBlue your going to go sit on the bottom of. 12,000+ list? I would imagine a large majority of the issues at Jblue are because the lack of a CBA. Do you guys really not have the majority of pilots over there willing to vote in a Union? I know it was turned down twice but that was a few years ago, a lot has changed

 

[SAABaroowski]

I don't see where any jetblue guys have said they are above Spirit.
I did call you cocky because you are( about spirit). The peer set is about money....if spirit now pays the same or better than we would want them in.....its not that we think we are better. I am glad you have ways to make more money and am glad you like Spirit. Looks like it all worked out for you.

I was a little dooshy in that post, my apologies. Either way, we all now how quickly this industry and any airline can turn south quickly.