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FR8DOG777 said:
Skanza did they allow you to expense your flight info account when you changed your handle to ruprecht boy? Nope been here all along working my asse off hoping things would get better.
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"They"? Who are they?

I have yet to read something positive from you on this board - it seems that you think 'Satan' knows you personally and is out to get you. Maybe it's time to get a hold of your ego and relax a bit..
 
Other than my team, every game is a hierarchy of hate. Down at the bottom Ohio State, then ND, dallas cowgirls, greenbay peckers, Michigan, Texas, and the Okies. Doesn't everybody pick 'em that way? :D
 
Talked to a Flex crew this rotation, and they were very nice. As you might expect, they wanted to know what the "Culture" might be like with the new owner/s. I'm a 15 year Cpt and my base pay is $95,218. The Flex Cpt told me he made bout $170,000 last year, granted he was in a bigger airframe. I would be to, but no fault of my own. I was bumped/pushed out of the 800XP. As I remember, he was a 17 year Cpt. I am truly happy for him, and hope his/their good luck continues. He also shared with me that an average month of flying is about 30 hours. An average month for my fleet is 60-70 hours.
He also said that they do not have any maint problems/pushing/pencil whips. I like that, but told him of our experience here at FLOPs. Perhaps if we do remain seperate, the "culture shock" will not be too great for our new Pilots. From what I have learned of Flex's operational tempo, and culture, it sounds heavenly...kinda like the ole RTA days. I wish you guys the best! But, I'm flying twice as much, for "almost" half as much, you just gotta think, "something has gotta change". Perhaps I should just look forward to the new tie we'll soon get.
Looking forward to talking, and flying with you all soon.
 
As a Lear driver here at Flex, I would say that captain you spoke to is pretty dead on with what he told you. I would say that his average is a little lower than the rest of us. For this year I'm in the mid 40 hour average range. As a seven year FO I'll make in the low $90's doing 16-17 days per month. Although we do have some issues that we've brought to management's attention, things here could be worse. I believe that when you soar like an eagle you'll attract hunters. From what I've learned since the purchase announcement, Ricci has had his eye on us for quite some time.
 
V1 Rotate said:
As a Lear driver here at Flex, I would say that captain you spoke to is pretty dead on with what he told you. I would say that his average is a little lower than the rest of us. For this year I'm in the mid 40 hour average range. As a seven year FO I'll make in the low $90's doing 16-17 days per month. Although we do have some issues that we've brought to management's attention, things here could be worse. I believe that when you soar like an eagle you'll attract hunters. From what I've learned since the purchase announcement, Ricci has had his eye on us for quite some time.
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That is all great, but FLEX's party in Dallas is pretty much over, you guys need to come to grips that Kenn Ricci just bought you. (Tricky Ricci). This book was written 9 yrs ago, RTA/FLOPS
 
If you worked for KR, non-union, pre RTA, you remember the good ole times in aviation for our generation. Every Friday was positive news, more aircraft, more owners, more stby at the hotel more phone minutes, more toppings on your Pizza. It was always more more more without asking for it. Until Travel Air and the introduction of a new management team when it became less less less everyday. Very similar to the RTS - DS transition. Mismanagement post merger brought in 1108 out of necessity. There were three catch phrases... He didn't think he was capable of running a company with unionized employees. He promised you would always be the highest paid in the industry (inferring... unless a contract prevented that) and props are for boats. So all I am saying is if your at Flex, maybe, just maybe, KR just wants the good ole days of aviation again. Now go enjoy your weekend.
 
Rubber Ducky said:
If you worked for KR, non-union, pre RTA, you remember the good ole times in aviation for our generation. Every Friday was positive news, more aircraft, more owners, more stby at the hotel more phone minutes, more toppings on your Pizza. It was always more more more without asking for it. Until Travel Air and the introduction of a new management team when it became less less less everyday. Very similar to the RTS - DS transition. Mismanagement post merger brought in 1108 out of necessity. There were three catch phrases... He didn't think he was capable of running a company with unionized employees. He promised you would always be the highest paid in the industry (inferring... unless a contract prevented that) and props are for boats. So all I am saying is if your at Flex, maybe, just maybe, KR just wants the good ole days of aviation again. Now go enjoy your weekend.
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Don't know about RTA but your singing a lot of Kumbya (sp). I remember FLOPS being out of money. And frankly all of Kenns boys are still in power, Upper and middle manangement, so you need to recheck your facts.
 
Out of money back then, yes. Middle management doesn't make the decisions that affects your pay and QOL, except on an individual basis when they are out to get a specific individual. Yes, it happens. But Kumbya is always good. So Kumbya Kumbya Kumbya.
 
Did you ever read Watership Down when you were a kid? Remember, the story about the Rabbits? I was also at Options before the merger pre-1108, and there is a chapter in that book that reminds me of my experience.
The rabbit leader Hazel and his band of traveling rabbit friends believe they have found the perfect new home for them, a warren of other rabbits who seem very healthy and safe. The fact that these rabbits live in a warren that is not concealed and that they seem to have no enemies is puzzling, as is the fact that a man leaves large amounts of food in the field that the rabbits eat.
Meanwhile, Hazel’s little brother Fiver – who has a sixth sense about things – warns that it’s too good to be true. Although the rabbits, who live in this new warren, seem strange and are given to odd habits, they treat Hazel's group with extreme hospitality. Everyone eats well and lives comfortably, which makes it much more difficult to believe that something is wrong. Fiver sticks with his convictions, and Hazel almost always trusts him, but this time he is being asked to give up the best living conditions they have ever encountered based only upon his brother's hunch that something is wrong. Hazel and the other rabbits know that something is not right, but so many other things are right that they are unwilling to listen to Fiver.
One day, one of Hazel’s friends gets caught in a snare. The new rabbits refuse to help and get very angry at the traveling rabbits for asking for it. Once they free their friend from the snare, it becomes apparent that men snare the new warren territory, but keep the rabbits happy with good food and only a few kills at a time. The new rabbits feel that this is a good enough trade for the safety and food they are offered. They have become odd and domesticated rabbits.
Once they realize what's happening, Hazel, Fiver and the traveling rabbits flee, set up a new life for themselves in a place of their choosing free from snares and false comforts. They choose to rely on each other for their well being and safety.
 
GlorifiedCabbie said:
Did you ever read Watership Down when you were a kid? Remember, the story about the Rabbits? I was also at Options before the merger pre-1108, and there is a chapter in that book that reminds me of my experience.
The rabbit leader Hazel and his band of traveling rabbit friends believe they have found the perfect new home for them, a warren of other rabbits who seem very healthy and safe. The fact that these rabbits live in a warren that is not concealed and that they seem to have no enemies is puzzling, as is the fact that a man leaves large amounts of food in the field that the rabbits eat.
Meanwhile, Hazel?s little brother Fiver ? who has a sixth sense about things ? warns that it?s too good to be true. Although the rabbits, who live in this new warren, seem strange and are given to odd habits, they treat Hazel's group with extreme hospitality. Everyone eats well and lives comfortably, which makes it much more difficult to believe that something is wrong. Fiver sticks with his convictions, and Hazel almost always trusts him, but this time he is being asked to give up the best living conditions they have ever encountered based only upon his brother's hunch that something is wrong. Hazel and the other rabbits know that something is not right, but so many other things are right that they are unwilling to listen to Fiver.
One day, one of Hazel?s friends gets caught in a snare. The new rabbits refuse to help and get very angry at the traveling rabbits for asking for it. Once they free their friend from the snare, it becomes apparent that men snare the new warren territory, but keep the rabbits happy with good food and only a few kills at a time. The new rabbits feel that this is a good enough trade for the safety and food they are offered. They have become odd and domesticated rabbits.
Once they realize what's happening, Hazel, Fiver and the traveling rabbits flee, set up a new life for themselves in a place of their choosing free from snares and false comforts. They choose to rely on each other for their well being and safety.
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Hmmm....anyone have a recipe for rabbit stew?
 
All I'm saying is before jumping from that warm cozy cruise ship with the endless hot buffet of food into the freezing arctic water, or setting the ship on fire, wait until the FIRST execution occurs, if ever.

Look at it this way

MS
DS
JH
JN
RS
KR
KD

Throw in all the Flex, TA, Avantair, XO, TM and CS leaders as well and rank them all best to worst (for both the company and employees).

KR is MUCH closer to the top of the list than the bottom.
 

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