All ASA pilots...please read!

[russtgol]

If we look at one million other negotiations conducted by one million other business partners, we can make some reasonable predictions. Negotiating parties start low and high and finally end up in the middle. Skywest Inc. probably understands that the ASA/XJT pilot groups don't scare easily. In fact, I think there is a well established history of ASA pilots never agreeing to concessions, ever. Talking with many Legacy XJT pilots, I think they are just as hardcore. Therefore, the strategy of Skywest Inc. is probably a break even contract. Mormons don't drink much, so they certainly don't believe that either pilot group would give anything up. At the risk of having rocks thrown at me, I like Skywest management. I think they are smart business people and generally honorable. In that light, I sincerely hope they don't overplay their hand. They will lose.

I wouldn't bet on that..

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I wouldn't bet on that..

I am betting on it. That's why I said it. I think the guys and gals that I work with have similar convictions on this. Furthermore, you make me want to throw up.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I'll go a step further. If the ASA/XJT Joint MEC even presents a concessionary TA to the pilot group for a vote , I will spit in their faces, individually. I have nothing to lose.

 

[Freebrd]

Yes. The greedy lifers

more of us than lifers clutch.

 

[Clutch]

More likely the junior folks who are convinced there is a huge pilot shortage and they are going to leave for greener "mainline" pastures "any day now".....

JoeMerchant, aka John Br--ling, already said he'd vote for concessions rather than have to start over somewhere else. I'm just gonna lump that pathetic sack of crap lifer in with the rest of ya.

 

[russtgol]

I'll go a step further. If the ASA/XJT Joint MEC even presents a concessionary TA to the pilot group for a vote , I will spit in their faces, individually. I have nothing to lose.

Yea sure you will..

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Yea sure you will..

Go to San Francisco. You'll fit-in just fine. You want me to do all the heavy lifting. I do it for me. You are a watcher. I am doer. Your father was probably a watcher. He taught you well.

 

[russtgol]

Go to San Francisco. You'll fit-in just fine. You want me to do all the heavy lifting. I do it for me. You are a watcher. I am doer. Your father was probably a watcher. He taught you well.

Guess your pops was a stand up fellow? He taught you to spit in peoples faces.Thats real heavy lifting?

 

[skyman50]

Let me think about this one.................................................................................NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[damnflyboy]

I heard an interesting argument: "What difference does it make? They'll (management) agree to the TA and then bankrupt us, forcing the pay lower. The Pinnacle guys screwed us."

Does this argument have merit? Can they do this with INC's 700+ million in the bank?

Edumicate me.

 

[wms]

Skywest, inc was well run. JA has given up a lot of influence and the thee prez's are incompetent.

 

[JustaNumber]

I heard an interesting argument: "What difference does it make? They'll (management) agree to the TA and then bankrupt us, forcing the pay lower. The Pinnacle guys screwed us."

Does this argument have merit? Can they do this with INC's 700+ million in the bank?

Edumicate me.

In a work, yes. Research the Mesaba sham bankruptcy to see how the game is played. Funnel any profits and assets to holding company, drain the company that actually makes the money dry, at least on the books. Then cry poor to the "government" (i.e. a bankruptcy judge), who will authorize said company to rape employees blind, out of fiscal "necessity." Regardless of the fact that money is being made everywhere hand over fist, and any "shortages" are the direct result of collusion between multiple company managements.

Not to turn this into a political thread, but the government was originally instituted to prevent individuals from plundering one another. Now through the bankruptcy process, the government is used as the main tool for enabling individuals to plunder one another. The bankruptcy process (at least Chapter 11) is an unjust perversion of the free market that needs to go away completely.

Will this happen at XJT? It might, but it also might not, depending on how JA wants to play the game. The ball that we all need to keep an eye on, though, is the fact that the hurdles to becoming an airline pilot have now become too great for someone who will only make regional FO wages, and so management is losing the ability to just shut down one regional and transfer the flying to someone else. We now have real leverage, and we are smarter than the Pinnacle pilots. We don't have to lose this one.

 

[IFLYASA]

In a work, yes. Research the Mesaba sham bankruptcy to see how the game is played. Funnel any profits and assets to holding company, drain the company that actually makes the money dry, at least on the books. Then cry poor to the "government" (i.e. a bankruptcy judge), who will authorize said company to rape employees blind, out of fiscal "necessity." Regardless of the fact that money is being made everywhere hand over fist, and any "shortages" are the direct result of collusion between multiple company managements.

Not to turn this into a political thread, but the government was originally instituted to prevent individuals from plundering one another. Now through the bankruptcy process, the government is used as the main tool for enabling individuals to plunder one another. The bankruptcy process (at least Chapter 11) is an unjust perversion of the free market that needs to go away completely.



Will this happen at XJT? It might, but it also might not, depending on how JA wants to play the game. The ball that we all need to keep an eye on, though, is the fact that the hurdles to becoming an airline pilot have now become too great for someone who will only make regional FO wages, and so management is losing the ability to just shut down one regional and transfer the flying to someone else. We now have real leverage, and we are smarter than the Pinnacle pilots. We don't have to lose this one.

Well said. If they even threatened us with that, the pilots here would repeat 2007. L Nelson would be our leader and advisor.

 

[Nevets]

Skywest, inc was well run. JA has given up a lot of influence and the thee prez's are incompetent.

Skywest Airlines is still well run. And I'm not talking about profits. I'm talking operationally. There doesn't seem to be as many or as good resources on one side of the corporation than on the other. And I'm talking about human resources as well.

 

[Clutch]

You can thank affirmative action