Endeavor Air-(Pinnacle, Colgan, Mesaba)

[i fly boxes]

Maybe that tone was a bit harsh, I'll take it down a notch. I do respect others opinions if they want to stay, it's less competition to those who want to leave. Plus, there could be personal family issues, emergencies, scenarios in which one cannot attend a newhire training cycle.

You probably have more posts than flight time

 

[xjhawk]

Okay so my facts were off-oops, 4,000 and not 3,000. The point stands. I hope you understand what made me post against you? You know nothing of the pilots who decided for whatever reason to stay long term at Mesaba or for that matter any regional. You may have flown with some at pinnacle but are obviously lacking in any character by knowing that every pilot is different with different factors with career and family on why they stayed. My respect for those same people would prevent me from making a blanket statement that insults them and their families.

 

[Flyer1015]

Okay so my facts were off-oops, 4,000 and not 3,000. The point stands. I hope you understand what made me post against you? You know nothing of the pilots who decided for whatever reason to stay long term at Mesaba or for that matter any regional. You may have flown with some at pinnacle but are obviously lacking in any character by knowing that every pilot is different with different factors with career and family on why they stayed. My respect for those same people would prevent me from making a blanket statement that insults them and their families.

I know which is why I take it back, I shouldn't have written that. There are many situations, especially family-related ones that prevent someone from going somewhere or doing a full initial type in some city 2-3 timezones away.

 

[xjhawk]

I know which is why I take it back, I shouldn't have written that. There are many situations, especially family-related ones that prevent someone from going somewhere or doing a full initial type in some city 2-3 timezones away.

Thank you. I have enjoyed our conversations in the past but I draw a line at low ball attacks on good people and generalizations about people you know nothing about. I have always been one to be supportive of Virgin America and wish it success and those who fly there a great career at a good place to work.

 

[Monster Buck]

Yeah, if you turn down a LCC to stay at Endeavor, I'd put that in a stupid-move category because they are going from 200+ planes down to 81. That's a guaranteed job loss.


While I may do it at a regional, I wouldn't do this at a LCC or major. Get hired and turn them down, that's one way to make sure you are never hired there again.



They are smart, realizing that the SSP isn't worth anything and better to get out asap.


What larger point?

As for my troubles at 9E, I had one JA refusal that led to a meeting and that was it, otherwise a clean record.

Isn't worth anything? A guaranteed audience with the guy who says your hired we'll see you in class at Delta isn't worth anything? Isn't that what any pilot on this planet is hoping for when they apply to any airline? If you have a clean background and they like you you going to class at Delta. Not worth anything? The only explanation for your comment is that you are dripping with jealously and it is painfully obvious. Its not a guarentee but it is far far from worthless.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Isn't worth anything? A guaranteed audience with the guy who says your hired we'll see you in class at Delta isn't worth anything? Isn't that what any pilot on this planet is hoping for when they apply to any airline? If you have a clean background and they like you you going to class at Delta. Not worth anything? The only explanation for your comment is that you are dripping with jealously and it is painfully obvious. Its not a guarentee but it is far far from worthless.

Some of the concern is that it'll take so long for the process to work it's way down to you that it is irrelevant for much of the Seniority List. Though by the time Delta gets around to it we'll only have 1800 (followed by 800 more furloughs over the next two years) or so pilots so it won't be quite as bad as before when there were 3000 .

 

[Flyer1015]

Isn't worth anything? A guaranteed audience with the guy who says your hired we'll see you in class at Delta isn't worth anything? Isn't that what any pilot on this planet is hoping for when they apply to any airline? If you have a clean background and they like you you going to class at Delta. Not worth anything? The only explanation for your comment is that you are dripping with jealously and it is painfully obvious. Its not a guarentee but it is far far from worthless.

Monster Buck,

This is one case where it's a "devil is in the details." The key things to remember is that to qualify for the SSP program, one has to be or have been a CA. The next thing to remember is the end state of 81 airplanes. Now, it's just a matter of adding up the details. With 81 planes, the end state is likely around 850-950 total pilots max. You can say that means approx. 450 CAs and 450 FOs give or take a few. The first key point is that one has to be or have been a CA. What's going to happen is that the really senior pilots will interview and some will go. Remember, some of these guys are much older and it isn't worth to them to go to Delta. They're better off staying put. Then there will be others who try twice and still don't get hired. All it takes is 450 of these kinda guys. The phenomena has already been termed the "lifer log-jam." I don't mean it in a condescending way, but this is what will happen once you have those guys who just don't want to go to Delta because of their XJ/9E seniority and/or are much older and not worth starting over at the bottom. Add those guys who don't get hired in the first and second interview chance, and you can see that 450 guys can easily stay put at 9E/XJ in Captain seats. This will "block" any upgrades from happening and therefore keeping FOs out of the SSP Delta interview. Now the FOs and most people knew this, which is why the union sold it to the FOs as "well, nothing says you have to go through the SSP, you can always apply off the street and get hired that way." Sounds good? I know a pilot personally, a 9E FO, who went to a job fair (I believe it was the WIA at BNA) where he talked to the main Delta pilot recruiter, Capt Arnie something. This CA told the 9E pilots that they already have a SSP program, any update will come through their union, and no one can cut the line. Basically, he was saying everyone at 9E will end up coming through the SSP there is to be no outside hiring. This effectively kills the chance of FOs applying outside the SSP to Delta. When you consider all these facts, it becomes apparent that the SSP will work out for a minority, not the majority. The senior side will get interviews and those hired will go. Those not hired, and those too old to want to move on, will stay put as Captains, 'blocking' upgrade opportunities for FOs who therefore cannot qualify for the SSP.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[Flyer1015]

Thank you. I have enjoyed our conversations in the past but I draw a line at low ball attacks on good people and generalizations about people you know nothing about. I have always been one to be supportive of Virgin America and wish it success and those who fly there a great career at a good place to work.

Agreed. Hopefully this Age 65 related hiring opens up everywhere so there can finally be some good movement.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Except when we are 950 pilots, everyone should be a downgraded captain (with a few exceptions), so the bottom will be able to move just fine. The top will stay the top. The new hires coming into fill the seats (assuming anyone is left), will be screwed.

The current group of us will be furloughed or off to another airline first.

Fill out those apps for American and CoTied boys and girls. Meanwhile get something that will last you a few years until you are there.

 

[xjhawk]

I am thinking we will be 111 crj 900's, if we are lucky some 200's (unlikely beyond 2015). Anything more would be extra if we could staff them and Delta was upset with the performance of that carrier and take their planes away

 

[i fly boxes]

I'm really confused about endeavor some days I wake up thinking we are the next comair but others I wake up thinking we will be a b scale some day with employee numbers so delta can adjust their staffing needs as necessary by flowing pilots up when needed. The truth is is that none of us know, all rumors are compete b.s and one day there will be a memo announcing massive displacements or there will be a good memo. The optimistic side of me thinks that there is a reason all this is happening and that there is no way delta would do all this just to shut a regional down they could have easily shut down in chapter 11. Even with the amount of airplanes pinnacle had they could have very easily given pilots bonuses to stay until the end and easily parked all of their planes in 2 years and transferring the 900s to Skywest .

 

[Airscrew]

I'm really confused about endeavor some days I wake up thinking we are the next comair but others I wake up thinking we will be a b scale some day with employee numbers so delta can adjust their staffing needs as necessary by flowing pilots up when needed. The truth is is that none of us know, all rumors are compete b.s and one day there will be a memo announcing massive displacements or there will be a good memo. The optimistic side of me thinks that there is a reason all this is happening and that there is no way delta would do all this just to shut a regional down they could have easily shut down in chapter 11. Even with the amount of airplanes pinnacle had they could have very easily given pilots bonuses to stay until the end and easily parked all of their planes in 2 years and transferring the 900s to Skywest .

Large displacement coming in August I think.

 

[fastback]

I'm really confused about endeavor some days I wake up thinking we are the next comair but others I wake up thinking we will be a b scale some day with employee numbers so delta can adjust their staffing needs as necessary by flowing pilots up when needed. The truth is is that none of us know, all rumors are compete b.s and one day there will be a memo announcing massive displacements or there will be a good memo. The optimistic side of me thinks that there is a reason all this is happening and that there is no way delta would do all this just to shut a regional down they could have easily shut down in chapter 11. Even with the amount of airplanes pinnacle had they could have very easily given pilots bonuses to stay until the end and easily parked all of their planes in 2 years and transferring the 900s to Skywest .

I think if Delta wanted to shutter the place they would have already. Plus, Endeavor is a ready pool of mainline labor in the event that this pilot shortage ever materializes.

 

[Flyer1015]

I think if Delta wanted to shutter the place they would have already. Plus, Endeavor is a ready pool of mainline labor in the event that this pilot shortage ever materializes.

What makes Endeavor a special pool of pilots that Delta couldn't find in any other regional out there? A regional is a regional. The shortage will be at the regional level, not mainline.

 

[higney85]

I have had the facts straight. You obviously don't. VX's requirements changed from 5000 total/1000TPIC to 4000 total/1000TPIC preferred. I got in with over 4000, and came in having met all their published minimum requirements. No favoritism, no nepotism, no special-ness. I just applied without internal recommendations like any other pilot out there. I'm not putting you down, I think you are in the good category of guys who are trying to get out (which I listed as category 3 in the previous page).

Do you check a minority card......?

 

[Flyer1015]

Do you check a minority card......?

Jealousy is a stinky cologne. I never went to a job fair, they never saw me until the day of the interview. No I don't consider myself a minority, nor would I check a minority box. The sole determining factor in getting a VX interview after meeting the requirements is the online assessment. Do well on it, and you're pretty much gonna get the interview. That's what happened to me.

 

[higney85]

Jealousy is a stinky cologne. I never went to a job fair, they never saw me until the day of the interview. No I don't consider myself a minority, nor would I check a minority box. The sole determining factor in getting a VX interview after meeting the requirements is the online assessment. Do well on it, and you're pretty much gonna get the interview. That's what happened to me.

I'm far from jealous. More curious, as others with your same (and better) quals have not had a call. I have not and will not apply to VX as already said multiple times before, so don't flatter yourself.

 

[Flyer1015]

As stated, it's all about the online assessment. Those who do well and pass it receive an email questionnaire which is the step that leads to the interview email. Nothing else matters, as long as the minimums are met. That's how a 4,000 hr guy could get hired just as easily as a 10,000 hr guy. I know you don't want VX. Though I got to say, if you have to commute out of MEM anyway to DTW or JFK, what's the difference commuting to LAX or even JFK in the near future if it goes junior at VX?

 

[1.3XVso]

I'm really confused about endeavor some days I wake up thinking we are the next comair but others I wake up thinking we will be a b scale some day with employee numbers so delta can adjust their staffing needs as necessary by flowing pilots up when needed. The truth is is that none of us know, all rumors are compete b.s and one day there will be a memo announcing massive displacements or there will be a good memo. The optimistic side of me thinks that there is a reason all this is happening and that there is no way delta would do all this just to shut a regional down they could have easily shut down in chapter 11. Even with the amount of airplanes pinnacle had they could have very easily given pilots bonuses to stay until the end and easily parked all of their planes in 2 years and transferring the 900s to Skywest .

You are over thinking it with a wet dream. Wake up! We got shafted its simple. 85% ate the carrot and now we are a cheap contract to work for with bigger jets.

 

[1.3XVso]

I'm far from jealous. More curious, as others with your same (and better) quals have not had a call. I have not and will not apply to VX as already said multiple times before, so don't flatter yourself.

Higney your such a putz. A alpa company koolaid putz. Let me guess your daddy said your getting in the next round at FedEx? Or your only a legacy quality type? I hope your still getting those special union deals. Minority card ?!? Get the hell out of here.

 

[1.3XVso]

Regional pilots arguing over their company's that they work for or against......... Is like retarded kids on the play ground pointing at each other and say, "your retarded!" "No, your retarded"! Sad, but really entertaining!

Hey tankhusker your not in the military anymore. Your f-cling it up for the rest of us being a company guy! Stop being mission orientated and realize that sometime you need to take your sacks and man up. I thought they teach you that stuff in the military for Christ sake. By the way tank you for your service. I know your thing is to fly and not care about wages. A lot of us don't have government gi bill or whatever it is you guys get.

 

[e=mc2]

Meanwhile at endevoralotalmayslaba, a small crowd of midgets continues to argue over who is the tallest.

 

[i fly boxes]

interesting regarding the tail numbers of the new 900's coming. It looks like Delta may keep the old PQ tail number with the new ones. According to the flypinnacle update the registration of the first one is 15292. There are a bunch of PQ tail numbers that delta reserved earlier this year and 292pq is one of them. This doesn't mean that all those tail numbers will be used but why use PQ? I didn't see any XJ 9E or EA (endeavor air) tail numbers reserved.

 

[Flyer1015]

Higney your such a putz. A alpa company koolaid putz. Let me guess your daddy said your getting in the next round at FedEx? Or your only a legacy quality type? I hope your still getting those special union deals. Minority card ?!? Get the hell out of here.

higney85's dad is a FedEx Captain? No wonder he's not applying to VX. I guess with a connection that big, he's better off waiting for the purple Barney to call him. Though, it's a little ironic for a guy who has a daddy recommendation try and call out someone for a suspected minority connection...

 

[higney85]

higney85's dad is a FedEx Captain? No wonder he's not applying to VX. I guess with a connection that big, he's better off waiting for the purple Barney to call him. Though, it's a little ironic for a guy who has a daddy recommendation try and call out someone for a suspected minority connection...

1. If you really knew me, you would know that I don't have the 1000TJPIC yet, and have not even applied to FDX. Instead, my apps are elsewhere. VX doesn't interest me, the financials don't support enthusiasm from me. If it works for you and others. I am happy for you.

2. It was a question, only because those who are interested and have applied have not had a call (or email- call it contact) and rumored that you played a minority card. It was only a question, perhaps I should have worded it differently as you took it as an attack.

3. I have never thrown around FDX as any type of sure thing. If you had any clue about their hiring changes, you would know that they are now only using a rec from a family member in the same category of a pilot giving a rec to another pilot. The only "gold card" is a management level rec.

4. You do a great job at attacking pinnacle pilots, and once again you personally attack when someone replies to you. You don't know me, so don't speak as if you know everything about me. You know very little, but enough to say stupid things.

 

[1.3XVso]

1. If you really knew me, you would know that I don't have the 1000TJPIC yet, and have not even applied to FDX. Instead, my apps are elsewhere. VX doesn't interest me, the financials don't support enthusiasm from me. If it works for you and others. I am happy for you.

2. It was a question, only because those who are interested and have applied have not had a call (or email- call it contact) and rumored that you played a minority card. It was only a question, perhaps I should have worded it differently as you took it as an attack.

3. I have never thrown around FDX as any type of sure thing. If you had any clue about their hiring changes, you would know that they are now only using a rec from a family member in the same category of a pilot giving a rec to another pilot. The only "gold card" is a management level rec.

4. You do a great job at attacking pinnacle pilots, and once again you personally attack when someone replies to you. You don't know me, so don't speak as if you know everything about me. You know very little, but enough to say stupid things.

I attack 85% of the pinnacle pilot group who voted yes. I attack on the pre merger pinnacle pilots for bending over and taking DP from both the union and the company. No balls thrill airline right here baby.

 

[Flyer1015]

1. If you really knew me, you would know that I don't have the 1000TJPIC yet, and have not even applied to FDX. Instead, my apps are elsewhere. VX doesn't interest me, the financials don't support enthusiasm from me. If it works for you and others. I am happy for you.

2. It was a question, only because those who are interested and have applied have not had a call (or email- call it contact) and rumored that you played a minority card. It was only a question, perhaps I should have worded it differently as you took it as an attack.

3. I have never thrown around FDX as any type of sure thing. If you had any clue about their hiring changes, you would know that they are now only using a rec from a family member in the same category of a pilot giving a rec to another pilot. The only "gold card" is a management level rec.

4. You do a great job at attacking pinnacle pilots, and once again you personally attack when someone replies to you. You don't know me, so don't speak as if you know everything about me. You know very little, but enough to say stupid things.

I didn't attack 9E pilots, that would be 1.3VXso who is obviously part of the 14 percenter No votes that made those comments. I did not know your father was a FedEx pilot, but if he is, you aren't in the position to call out someone else for getting any favoritism at another airline. I took it to be an attack, but since you didn't mean it like that, I understand and addressed it. I did well on the online assessment and that was the sole reason for getting the questionnaire email and the subsequent email for interview.


Besides, how do you play a minority card?

No offense to anyone, but isn't going to Women in Aviation or OBAP considered flashing a minority card? I mean, that's what it boils down to. Both are organizations created to help support further their individual target groups. Of course, it doesn't stop non-women or non-colored from applying to those groups, to try and join those groups. I mean it's one thing if a pilot joins because he truly supports women in aviation or he truly supports the organization of black pilots, but a lot of non-target pilots (as in non-women for WIA and non-black for OBAP) are joining simply for the job fair benefit and the face-time benefits. That's hypocrisy.


And no I do not belong to WAI or OBAP or whatever other minority group is out there.

 

[i fly boxes]

Ignore lists on this forum are a good thing

 

[e=mc2]

And the midgets keeping arguing.....

 

[1.3XVso]

And the midgets keeping arguing.....

And scabs keep on flying.