Endeavor Air-(Pinnacle, Colgan, Mesaba)

[i fly boxes]

200s start leaving August 20 24 this year

 

[DoinTime]

May 2005 to Feb 2011 since amendable date is a record, second only to Evergreen.

You've got a lot to learn about the history of negotiations under the RLA if you think that statement is accurate.

 

[jynxyjericho]

I'm aware of the above, as 'Flying Cheap' ex-Colgan pilots pointed out too.

You ignore it if you are aware of it. Or you simply refuse it to accept its validity. Colgan didn't need Q's to upgrade people quickly. Part of the interview was where you saw yourself in 5 years, they made sure you saw yourself somewhere else in 5 years.

See my post above. Phil T bought a non-union airline as a growth platform.

That wasn't my point. You want to act opaque, that's fine, the readers can decide for themselves.

You're going with somewhere, you should lead it. I'm not sure I'm following what you are getting at.

It was part of the larger point you are doing your best to ignore- it's fine. I'm not trying to convince you, just giving the readers something factual to digest. Just keep acting dopey, it works for you.

First of all, if you are going to turn down a class or an interview, why apply in the first place?

Oh some people just want to see if it's the right fit. Other's go because it's good practice. Sometimes they hope to be wow'ed by the company when they aren't exactly sure if they want the job or not. It's worth noting these are pretty normal reasons for the interview, that's why they put on the show.

Turn down VX to stay at Endeavor? Pilots really aren't the sharpest tools in the shed are they.

Good God are you really that stupid? Are you really in a position to say what is the best fit for every pilot at this airline? I guess you fell on your head when you were real young but most of us learn over time to accept other peoples decisions and respect them.

Worse case scenario at VX is a free PIC A320 type rating, and Airbus time which opens up lots of opportunity in the Middle East and Asia, in addition to getting your resume at the top of the pile at Spirit and JetBlue. Worse case scenario at Endeavor is being a jobless CRJ-200 pilot, not like there aren't those already.

While I see that can be one path, certainly you are aware there are plenty of people at Jetblue and Spirit in classes now from Pinn-Deavor? They made it to the top of the pile without the A320 rating. You can see that right?

Which is why when I hear a RJ CA say that this hiring sucks and I'm still here because no one is hiring, it's all BS. What they really mean to say is FedEx hasn't called me. Or Delta. There's been plenty of hiring at JetBlue, Spirit, and Virgin and all sorts of regional pilots, both left and right seats have gotten out. Some RJ guys are too comfortable making 70-90 grand and want to do so until they get picked up by FedEx or Delta. They are above flying for Spirit/JetBlue/Virgin. Good luck to them. Hopefully their escape to FedEx or Delta happens before their seat disappears with the CRJ-200s being parked.

That might be some of the pilots but it's not all. You're just so God damn negative about your ex-coworkers that you oversimplify their intent and their goals. I can't tell if that comes from an angry place, a lack of self worth, or simple cranial density. Whatever it is, let it go. The sooner you do the less likely it is that you'll get bit later. Let's not forget your troubles here at Pinnacle.

 

[Flyer1015]

Good God are you really that stupid? Are you really in a position to say what is the best fit for every pilot at this airline? I guess you fell on your head when you were real young but most of us learn over time to accept other peoples decisions and respect them.

Yeah, if you turn down a LCC to stay at Endeavor, I'd put that in a stupid-move category because they are going from 200+ planes down to 81. That's a guaranteed job loss.

Oh some people just want to see if it's the right fit. Other's go because it's good practice. Sometimes they hope to be wow'ed by the company when they aren't exactly sure if they want the job or not. It's worth noting these are pretty normal reasons for the interview, that's why they put on the show.

While I may do it at a regional, I wouldn't do this at a LCC or major. Get hired and turn them down, that's one way to make sure you are never hired there again.

While I see that can be one path, certainly you are aware there are plenty of people at Jetblue and Spirit in classes now from Pinn-Deavor? They made it to the top of the pile without the A320 rating. You can see that right?

They are smart, realizing that the SSP isn't worth anything and better to get out asap.

It was part of the larger point you are doing your best to ignore- it's fine. I'm not trying to convince you, just giving the readers something factual to digest. Just keep acting dopey, it works for you.

What larger point?

As for my troubles at 9E, I had one JA refusal that led to a meeting and that was it, otherwise a clean record.

 

[Flyer1015]

You've got a lot to learn about the history of negotiations under the RLA if you think that statement is accurate.

What ALPA carrier have had longer times under amendable date than Evergreen and Pinnacle? Curious because I remember reading an ALPA update about time under amendable date, and how 9E and Evergreen stood out in that sense.

 

[xjhawk]

Oh flyer is at it again and generalizing about people he has no clue about. As a matter of fact, he is just making himself feel better by putting them down because he can use his special low time "I got hired because I am special" card at an airline who was recently asking for 5000 total/1000PIC months before he was hired with 3000 total time and no PIC. But he still likes to put those down who he has a fraction the experience and knows nothing about their life situation. Shut your pie hole you idiot. MInd your own business and worry about your company and stop worrying about ours. You did not even have the facts straight when you were actually at Pinnacle.

 

[Flyer1015]

Oh flyer is at it again and generalizing about people he has no clue about. As a matter of fact, he is just making himself feel better by putting them down because he can use his special low time "I got hired because I am special" card at an airline who was recently asking for 5000 total/1000PIC months before he was hired with 3000 total time and no PIC. But he still likes to put those down who he has a fraction the experience and knows nothing about their life situation. Shut your pie hole you idiot. MInd your own business and worry about your company and stop worrying about ours. You did not even have the facts straight when you were actually at Pinnacle.

I have had the facts straight. You obviously don't. VX's requirements changed from 5000 total/1000TPIC to 4000 total/1000TPIC preferred. I got in with over 4000, and came in having met all their published minimum requirements. No favoritism, no nepotism, no special-ness. I just applied without internal recommendations like any other pilot out there. I'm not putting you down, I think you are in the good category of guys who are trying to get out (which I listed as category 3 in the previous page).

 

[jynxyjericho]

Yeah, if you turn down a LCC to stay at Endeavor, I'd put that in a stupid-move category because they are going from 200+ planes down to 81. That's a guaranteed job loss.

While I may do it at a regional, I wouldn't do this at a LCC or major. Get hired and turn them down, that's one way to make sure you are never hired there again.

They are smart, realizing that the SSP isn't worth anything and better to get out asap.

What larger point?

As for my troubles at 9E, I had one JA refusal that led to a meeting and that was it, otherwise a clean record.

Holy random awkward answers batMAn! Are you having a stroke? None of this is worth a reply (because none of it is a reply to my post), so I'll just assume you can't keep up, or need the last word even when you have nothing to say. I wish you well and we'll be keeping an eye out for ya MAn

(Sorry the keyboard is doing some weird caps tricks, can't figure it out.)

 

[Flyer1015]

What are you talking about, all the quoted portions was your post. It's not in the same order as you wrote, but every quotation is your own words from that post.

 

[jynxyjericho]

What are you talking about, all the quoted portions was your post. It's not in the same order as you wrote, but every quotation is your own words from that post.

One was, the rest were kind of weird replies to questions you wish I had asked. The trouble is if I keep replying to you the original points I made back in #73 get lost in your disjointed and purposefully obtuse replies. It's fine, at this point I'll just assume you agree. Stay classless trying to tear down your peers though.

 

[say again]

Listen to them Flyer1015, they are right!

 

[Flyer1015]

One was, the rest were kind of weird replies to questions you wish I had asked. The trouble is if I keep replying to you the original points I made back in #73 get lost in your disjointed and purposefully obtuse replies. It's fine, at this point I'll just assume you agree. Stay classless trying to tear down your peers though.

You have a reading comprehension problem. Everything I quoted was from your post #78. All of it. In any case, there's no point arguing over this silly crap.

 

[jynxyjericho]

You have a reading comprehension problem. Everything I quoted was from your post #78. All of it. In any case, there's no point arguing over this silly crap.

To be clear, #73 was where we started, your problem starts on #75, hits hard (and I mean hard- like stroke-worthy) on #79, then you compound the issue on #84 where I assume you're just going to play dumb until I stop because you feel like it's best to duck responsibility for your own crap attitude and meshugana reasoning- never mind the troglodyte manner in which you respect others decisions. But I guess that's why your so famous. The readers can make up their own mind. Enjoy trolling while I take a well earned break.

 

[e=mc2]

So based on the comments Flyer is the Biggest Retard in the Room>

 

[Flyer1015]

Maybe that tone was a bit harsh, I'll take it down a notch. I do respect others opinions if they want to stay, it's less competition to those who want to leave. Plus, there could be personal family issues, emergencies, scenarios in which one cannot attend a newhire training cycle.