Endeavor Air-(Pinnacle, Colgan, Mesaba)

[xjhawk]

I think something like 30% of Delta's domestic flying is done by there regionals. Yes they have it spread out pretty well, but in a market where their loads are so stressed and over sold I do not think they could handle losing Pinnacles ....I mean Bendoveur's feed.

 

[Snaab]

In all seriousness, you should get a prize. "Bendoveur" is the best take I've seen yet on our new name. I've seen more and more people wearing the new lanyards, lately. It makes me sick.

 

[big shacks]

Lanyards?? Hope they actuall say "Bendoveur"

 

[SoberIrishman]

Probably not, but their pilots sure do walk funny.

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[gojo]

In all seriousness, you should get a prize. "Bendoveur" is the best take I've seen yet on our new name. I've seen more and more people wearing the new lanyards, lately. It makes me sick.

Your screen name is appropriate. Is being a condescending a-hole a qualification for working at ASA/EJT? Seriously, you guys are no better than anyone else.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Pinnacle sucks. Always did, always will. You can't go to Delta outside of the "preferred interview" scheme because you've signed up for 7.5 years of slave labor and management is running with it. Delta doesn't like you- they like your 85+% approval of their scam.

 

[gojo]

Pinnacle sucks. Always did, always will. You can't go to Delta outside of the "preferred interview" scheme because you've signed up for 7.5 years of slave labor and management is running with it. Delta doesn't like you- they like your 85+% approval of their scam.

All you offer is lame insults and nothing constructive. Ever hear of karma??? Well, you're about to get yours. And because of your childish behavior many on hear are probably rooting for it. It sucks because you place a bad image on your whole pilot group. I just try to remind myself that you're one of the 5-10% of the bad ones there

 

[1.3XVso]

Delta couldn't care less and that's the problem for pilots. The only thing they cared about was a rock bottom contract and what it does to the rest of the regionals. You really think they care how many leave, how it effects pinnacle ops? They watched dozens per month flocking away from comair(they owned) for years and then in the end sent hundreds packing all at once. They don't care at all about pinnacles performance or how many leave. They may act publicly like they do but its just a show.

There was a decade that it looked like the regionals could work as a career, its on its way back to in and out as fast as possible and pray it works. I can't stand flyer but he is right about take anything you can get that is outside someone elses umbrella. I remember thinking about the guys around me leaving for airtran and thinking man that company isn't very good, why leave for there. Well I was wrong. Those guys are now at SWA with many years of service. under their belts making a shat load.

Why do you and everyone insist on hating flyer? You people just can't accept the truth and rather just feed off koolaide rumors.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I just try to remind myself that you're one of the 5-10% of the bad ones there

The ones who would vote yes?

 

[gojo]

The ones who would vote yes?

I was thinking something more like immature idiots

 

[1.3XVso]

I was thinking something more like immature idiots

Idiot are the 85% yes voters.

 

[SoberIrishman]

So, how did the "yes" vote at 9E work out for you all? Did you get a big bonus and a job at Mama D yet?
All of us at XJT are really excited we might cut a deal for something similar down the line someday.


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[gojo]

So, how did the "yes" vote at 9E work out for you all? Did you get a big bonus and a job at Mama D yet?
All of us at XJT are really excited we might cut a deal for something similar down the line someday.


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Not all of us voted yes, but I feel you should respect the ones that did. They had their reasons for their vote. Will it be the right decision? Who knows at this point. But I know damn sure that you don't know either. It's real easy to spout off claiming that you know, or to try to bully us with your insults, childish by the way, but how do we fix the regional industry? Many at Comair went on to start over at other airlines, while Skywest, ASA, and Go-Jets are flying their planes. And yes I know that they were not their planes, but what good did it do the industry?

 

[i fly boxes]

Let me tell you what is going to happen at express jet. They are going to get a new contract soon and then when they merge the lists it will fail becuase of training costs causing them to go chapter 11 and then they will be purchased by united from Skywest, reorganized into an endeavor type wholly owned airline for united complete with a ssp!

 

[SoberIrishman]

As a result of those yes voters at 9E, probably true.
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[jynxyjericho]

So, how did the "yes" vote at 9E work out for you all? Did you get a big bonus and a job at Mama D yet?
All of us at XJT are really excited we might cut a deal for something similar down the line someday.


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The doors didn't shut and the bonus (read: payoff) did come in. No job at Big Mama D but most of us are hopeful something will hire us in the next 3-18 months. Hopefully just in time to not get furloughed from the -200's getting parked.

I'm confused, you are in bankruptcy and will have to choose between a concessionary contract and shutting the doors? What did your management team spend it on? We got a tall building in Memphis downtown for a little bit and about 12 VP's all paid well... as well as some janitors getting +$100,000 a year. I think we got a shirt or a coffee mug or something too. You guys got a mug at least right?

 

[1.3XVso]

the doors didn't shut and the bonus (read: Payoff) did come in. No job at big mama d but most of us are hopeful something will hire us in the next 3-18 months. Hopefully just in time to not get furloughed from the -200's getting parked.

I'm confused, you are in bankruptcy and will have to choose between a concessionary contract and shutting the doors? What did your management team spend it on? We got a tall building in memphis downtown for a little bit and about 12 vp's all paid well... As well as some janitors getting +$100,000 a year. I think we got a shirt or a coffee mug or something too. You guys got a mug at least right?

the door was not going to be shut!!!!!!wtf

 

[jynxyjericho]

the door was not going to be shut!!!!!!wtf

Comair would never be shut down either right?

It wouldn't surprise me if we still do, considering how poorly an operation we are right now. Delta obviously wants it that way. Maybe it's payback for taking the GoJet equivalent contract to court and winning. We've obviously done something to piss Delta off, we're going to have to give the flying away soon to get us above 60% on time performance.

 

[gojo]

Comair would never be shut down either right?

It wouldn't surprise me if we still do, considering how poorly an operation we are right now. Delta obviously wants it that way. Maybe it's payback for taking the GoJet equivalent contract to court and winning. We've obviously done something to piss Delta off, we're going to have to give the flying away soon to get us above 60% on time performance.

Pinnacle always seemed to struggle to deliver a good product. I often wondered why Northwest didn't do something about it years ago.

 

[1.3XVso]

Comair would never be shut down either right?

It wouldn't surprise me if we still do, considering how poorly an operation we are right now. Delta obviously wants it that way. Maybe it's payback for taking the GoJet equivalent contract to court and winning. We've obviously done something to piss Delta off, we're going to have to give the flying away soon to get us above 60% on time performance.

We are not comair!! Not even close to comair.

 

[SoberIrishman]

No, just 69% of them voted for concessions, and over 300 didn't vote I believe, so you still lead the race to the bottom.

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[jynxyjericho]

Pinnacle always seemed to struggle to deliver a good product. I often wondered why Northwest didn't do something about it years ago.

We thought they were when their -200's started coming to Mesaba.

 

[gojo]

We are not comair!! Not even close to comair.

No, Comair was a good airline. I still can't believe they were given Mesaba to ruin when they couldn't manage Pinnacle. Maybe that was the plan. Delta was sure they'd f it up.

 

[jynxyjericho]

No, Comair was a good airline. I still can't believe they were given Mesaba to ruin when they couldn't manage Pinnacle. Maybe that was the plan. Delta was sure they'd f it up.

Well at least some of the senior Mesaba guys got a win on the SLI and the fences, since that's all that will be left. Pump what's left of Mesaba up to about 80-90 airplanes and try selling her off. Or Endeavor, whatever it is now.

 

[SoberIrishman]

All of this crap comes from Mainline top brass beating down hard on the people who really keep things moving, like for example ground handling companies who keep getting fired and rehired at lower and lower rates. Exactly mirrors what they are trying with their regional partners, and it has to stop somewhere. How the hell can they expect the best performance from any employee if they feel so undervalued?
What has been the result with DGS for example? Completely useless at many stations. They simply don't show up to work!
Will this be the new modus operandi for the regional airline pilot?
We are totally undervalued, underpaid and come January will have to work more and be paid less!
Any regional pilot worth his salt (9E excepted because they already showed their cards) has to stand up and call time on this, and say " find someone else to do it" Good luck with that. Take our planes and see how staffing works out.

Supply and demand. I think the ball will soon land in our court. Patience is a virtue, and that's why I think we should just say to the company..."call us back when you have modified your outlook. Consider your response at your leisure. FUFN."

Good on Eagle for starting it off, but you guys are still in BK I think, so that's a negative. XJT, well, we are next up. Take it down if necessary, all the way, because this job does not warrant one cent less for the professional and skilled services we provide.

End of story. Stand United.

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[jynxyjericho]

All of this crap comes from Mainline top brass beating down hard on the people who really keep things moving, like for example ground handling companies who keep getting fired and rehired at lower and lower rates. Exactly mirrors what they are trying with their regional partners, and it has to stop somewhere. How the hell can they expect the best performance from any employee if they feel so undervalued?
What has been the result with DGS for example? Completely useless at many stations. They simply don't show up to work!
Will this be the new modus operandi for the regional airline pilot?
We are totally undervalued, underpaid and come January will have to work more and be paid less!
Any regional pilot worth his salt (9E excepted because they already showed their cards) has to stand up and call time on this, and say " find someone else to do it" Good luck with that. Take our planes and see how staffing works out.

Supply and demand. I think the ball will soon land in our court. Patience is a virtue, and that's why I think we should just say to the company..."call us back when you have modified your outlook. Consider your response at your leisure. FUFN."

Good on Eagle for starting it off, but you guys are still in BK I think, so that's a negative. XJT, well, we are next up. Take it down if necessary, all the way, because this job does not warrant one cent less for the professional and skilled services we provide.

End of story. Stand United.

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Unity? I've heard it well spoken of on web boards. There will always be a pilot to take your place, there is no pilot shortage, and the company will always win.

If you are seriously in a situation like we were, Pinnacle, and you choose to shutter the doors and go the way of so many other airlines when you can keep working for another year until another airline hires you? Good luck. Some of us have wives and kids and won't be moving back in with the folks when given a chance to continue to make a wage which supports us. The only red line in the sand is crossing a picket line, and most of those guys who did it at CO are still there working. Stupid people on this board will try to elevate accepting a concessionary contract in bankruptcy as crossing a picket line. That's a good thing, it actually lets you know who the morons are. Hissy fits and temper tantrums screaming "I'm gonna die if I don't get that Matchbox car" worked on your folks because they were lazy and didn't want to raise you up to be a big boy. The rest of us have to put on our big boy pants and deal with the REAL WORLD.

Pinnacle is not special, we don't provide anything for Delta that they can't get from another airline in a few months. Some of you are convinced that "OMG if Pinnacle doesn't keep running Delta can't sustain the lift!" They kept us going AND can't sustain the lift. They. Don't. Care. Whoever is cheapest wins, so Republic and GoJet's I'd just keep those heads down because while all of us try to scrape along you two are going to get all the aircraft. Skywest will probably be the biggest winner because they'll reset the rates automatically AND still have a couple hundred million in the bank after it's all said and done.

Just pray if you have a union they draw out the inevitable. Many of you misunderstand a simple concept about unions. The union can't save your job, they can just give you an above market wage if you work real hard, and they can slow the company down from taking that wage if they play things real smart. Unions are great, I don't want to be without one. Unions can't fix the industry because you can't corral all the pilots and make them stand lock step. That's an economic and sociological reality.

Play along, let them "compete" and leave in a year or two. Yup it'll happen at the next airline too, except you'll have a bigger paycheck and more days off- still better. (The keyboard warriors will be there too, and we'll all have to get along.)

Maybe you think we'll all be hanging out at the gate ready to start flying so we can get to that 10 hour overnight (was 14 until the weather came in) rejoicing about the time you all stood together on flight info and declared you were going to stop the market from doing what it's going to do. Nope. The captain will probably just buy you a coffee and you'll tell stories about the last overnight where the stupid FA passed out at the bar from drinking too much and you had to drag her back.

Don't spend any money, save every buck you make and/or pay down debt aggressively. Talk to your grandparents if they are still alive and retired and find out exactly what they did. Don't be surprised when they tell you it had nothing to do with a 401k or anything else. Don't buy expensive phones or anything else expensive. Buy used, save your money, retire comfortably. There is no middle class in the future.

Everyone in the regional world is about to get screwed, because our vaunted regional business model is about to change. That's a market force and a business reality you can't change- no matter if everyone screams unity at the same time zulu every day.

If you want to be an airline pilot, these are your lumps. Some rich kids will get ahead of you, some will finish behind you, but if you just truck along and do your best and be reasonable it'll work out. Honestly a lot of those rich kids end up doing drugs and they get caught and you move up a #. It's not so bad. Think you are too good for it? Get a real job.

-Wow, sorry I blacked out there, where am I?

 

[SoberIrishman]

Thank you for one of the most eloquent posts ever on this board. Recent statistics however do not support adequate supply to fill new hire positions in the regional sector. We will wait and see for now.

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[jynxyjericho]

Thank you for one of the most eloquent posts ever on this board. Recent statistics however do not support adequate supply to fill new hire positions in the regional sector. We will wait and see for now.

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Don't you worry, when the middle class completely evaporates you won't need 3 legacies, 4 or 5 LCC/Majors, and 30 regionals/commuters/beech 99 hsit shows running around all chasing the same nickle. There will be consolidation, failures, and we'll get done with about 1-3 airlines.

Europe doesn't have it wrong, they are just ahead of the curve with the state run airlines.

 

[SoberIrishman]

Well, Ryanair (O'Leary) has just been cleared by the Irish courts to go after Aer Lingus again, so I guess "Americanization" is hitting there now also. Don't think about charging your cell phone in the crew lounge if you work there!
The grass is no greener on the other side of the fence (pond).


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[DoinTime]

Pinnacle always seemed to struggle to deliver a good product. I often wondered why Northwest didn't do something about it years ago.

Pinnacle had some of the best performance stats of any airline in America for most of the past decade. Senior management never could figure out labor relations but they were ruthless in pursuing the synthetic metrics that executives use to weigh and measure airlines. Generally, pilots have a completely different idea of what a "good" product is though and airlines that pilots think are "good" usually fail in the marketplace (i.e., Mesaba).