United to buy 30 regional jets from Embraer

[Hamfighter]

United to buy 30 regional jets from Embraer
United Airlines orders 30 new 76-seat regional jets from Embraer; deliveries start in 2014

Associated Press ? 6 hours ago
CHICAGO (AP) -- United Airlines is ordering larger regional jets with 76 seats, continuing its shift away from even smaller planes.
United said Monday that it will buy 30 of the Embraer 175s, with deliveries next year and in 2015.
Planes flown by United itself seat more than 100 passengers. But it also hires regional airlines to fly smaller planes like those announced Monday, under the United Express name.
Until now pilot agreements at United barred it from using regional planes with more than 70 seats. But a new contract ratified in December allows planes with up to 76 seats. The contract covers pilots who came from United and Continental in their 2010 merger.
The new jets will replace 50-seat regional jets, which have fallen out of favor with airlines as fuel prices have risen. United said the new jets will burn 10 percent less fuel per passenger than the jets they replace. United was using 345 of the 50-seat jets as of the end of last year.
United said the planes would have 12 first class seats, 16 of its "Economy Plus" coach seats with extra legroom, and 48 coach seats.
Shares of Chicago-based United Continental Holdings Inc. rose 86 cents, or 2.8 percent, to close at $32 on Monday. Shares of Brazil-based Embraer SA fell 5 cents to close at $32.74.

 

[Hamfighter]

I got excited for a moment because I thought the article was saying that United was going to fly them! Upon further review, I guess send this thread to the Regionals, or recycle bin. Nuts.

 

[Flopgut]

Thanks to the contract sUAL brought to the merger, these won't be flown by United pilots. But, don't tell them they don't deserve an SLI windfall?!

 

[Continental]

Thanks to the contract sUAL brought to the merger, these won't be flown by United pilots. But, don't tell them they don't deserve an SLI windfall?!

EXACTLY!!! What is one good thing they have brought to the merger? Energy bars?
F'em Our SLI list looked fine to me.

 

[Jetjockey]

EXACTLY!!! What is one good thing they have brought to the merger? Energy bars?
F'em Our SLI list looked fine to me.

Don't forget reimbursed dry cleaning.

 

[Shrek]

EXACTLY!!! What is one good thing they have brought to the merger? Energy bars?
F'em Our SLI list looked fine to me.

You are going to LOVE the month of May and also be shocked that the SLI will look NOTHING like you thought and wished for.

 

[Flopgut]

You are going to LOVE the month of May and also be shocked that the SLI will look NOTHING like you thought and wished for.

Yeah, well, that's how we're all going to feel in August or September.

 

[fam62c]

Hopefully in few years these carriers are going to have a very difficult time finding enough pilots to fly these planes if they are operated by airlines that don't want to or can't afford to offer compensation and QOL at a level sufficient to attract and retain people. The whole RJ subcontract model is based on cheap, plentiful labor. Without it it doesn't work.

 

[OPECJet]

Hopefully in few years these carriers are going to have a very difficult time finding enough pilots to fly these planes if they are operated by airlines that don't want to or can't afford to offer compensation and QOL at a level sufficient to attract and retain people. The whole RJ subcontract model is based on cheap, plentiful labor. Without it it doesn't work.

We're getting close. That is until they water down the ATP rule.....

 

[Shrek]

Yeah, well, that's how we're all going to feel in August or September.

And I thought you were a CAL guy - thanks for coming back to reality and wanting something that actually FOLLOWS ALPA policy.

 

[Ops check good]

Hopefully in few years these carriers are going to have a very difficult time finding enough pilots to fly these planes if they are operated by airlines that don't want to or can't afford to offer compensation and QOL at a level sufficient to attract and retain people. The whole RJ subcontract model is based on cheap, plentiful Pilot labor. Without it it doesn't work.

Fixed it for ya. Regionals pay MX fairly well.

 

[Flopgut]

And I thought you were a CAL guy - thanks for coming back to reality and wanting something that actually FOLLOWS ALPA policy.

................

Please, try to remember, ALPA merger policy was never not followed, until UAL ALPA chose not to follow it. I know you guys have dismissed that reality, but it is the 800# gorilla in the room.

BTW: Our proposal did not necessarily depart the policy. It just didn't put longevity where you think it will go. Or for that matter, where it will more than likely eventually end up.

Only one thing is absolutely certain in this SLI: you are going to get one hell of a lot better deal out of merger policy, than you ever would have allowed another member to have.

 

[chppr5]

EXACTLY!!! What is one good thing they have brought to the merger? Energy bars?
F'em Our SLI list looked fine to me.

Let's see, the Pacific, Hubs in 4 of the biggest markets in the US, Fifth Freedom rights thru Japan, real wide bodies (not 75's), owned assets. Let's see, what did you bring........No credit, shiney new guppies, oh yea, and 700 scabs.....You and Flop really need to get a life.

 

[eaglesview]

Not even worth the wasted energy to type a response chppr. just let them whine.

 

[Shrek]

Not even worth the wasted energy to type a response chppr. just let them whine.

Good point - every now and then I forget that.

 

[tie1on]

The race to the bottom continues for the 67% era. Thanks a lot.

 

[Shrek]

And we appreciate all you have done for "unity" you are welcome.

 

[Hpilot]

Hopefully in few years these carriers are going to have a very difficult time finding enough pilots to fly these planes if they are operated by airlines that don't want to or can't afford to offer compensation and QOL at a level sufficient to attract and retain people. The whole RJ subcontract model is based on cheap, plentiful labor. Without it it doesn't work.

It's already hitting the commuters. Recently the CEO of one of our regionals complained to our CEO, "what are we going to do about this pilot shortage?" Our CEO's response was, "We recently had 12,000 qualified applicants for 100 postions, we don't have a pilot shortage, you do." Our CEO has said though that he is concerned about the shortage at commuters, because it could eventually hit the majors.

 

[Flopgut]

Let's see, the Pacific

Oh yeah, thank you SO much for bringing the Pacific. As a Continental pilot I was going to have to settle with only seeing: Guam, Saipan, Palau, Manila, Yap, Chuuk, Pohnpei, Kosrae, Kwajelin, Majuro, Hong Kong, Cairns, a bunch of airports in Japan, and of course Hawaii. But yeah, hey, thanks for bringing the Pacific!

Look, you did bring some things to the equation. Maybe 50% or so of the good things we have going forward came from sUAL, maybe less. But you brought at least 90% of the problems. This thread is case in point. You messed up our scope big time.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Yes welcome to UNITED!!!! Thanks for chiming in. 16 777s and 30ish 767s? Ahem.