United to buy 30 regional jets from Embraer

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Hopefully in few years these carriers are going to have a very difficult time finding enough pilots to fly these planes if they are operated by airlines that don't want to or can't afford to offer compensation and QOL at a level sufficient to attract and retain people. The whole RJ subcontract model is based on cheap, plentiful Pilot labor. Without it it doesn't work.

Fixed it for ya. Regionals pay MX fairly well.

 

[Flopgut]

And I thought you were a CAL guy - thanks for coming back to reality and wanting something that actually FOLLOWS ALPA policy.

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Please, try to remember, ALPA merger policy was never not followed, until UAL ALPA chose not to follow it. I know you guys have dismissed that reality, but it is the 800# gorilla in the room.

BTW: Our proposal did not necessarily depart the policy. It just didn't put longevity where you think it will go. Or for that matter, where it will more than likely eventually end up.

Only one thing is absolutely certain in this SLI: you are going to get one hell of a lot better deal out of merger policy, than you ever would have allowed another member to have.

 

[chppr5]

EXACTLY!!! What is one good thing they have brought to the merger? Energy bars?
F'em Our SLI list looked fine to me.

Let's see, the Pacific, Hubs in 4 of the biggest markets in the US, Fifth Freedom rights thru Japan, real wide bodies (not 75's), owned assets. Let's see, what did you bring........No credit, shiney new guppies, oh yea, and 700 scabs.....You and Flop really need to get a life.

 

[eaglesview]

Not even worth the wasted energy to type a response chppr. just let them whine.

 

[Shrek]

Not even worth the wasted energy to type a response chppr. just let them whine.

Good point - every now and then I forget that.

 

[tie1on]

The race to the bottom continues for the 67% era. Thanks a lot.

 

[Shrek]

And we appreciate all you have done for "unity" you are welcome.

 

[Hpilot]

Hopefully in few years these carriers are going to have a very difficult time finding enough pilots to fly these planes if they are operated by airlines that don't want to or can't afford to offer compensation and QOL at a level sufficient to attract and retain people. The whole RJ subcontract model is based on cheap, plentiful labor. Without it it doesn't work.

It's already hitting the commuters. Recently the CEO of one of our regionals complained to our CEO, "what are we going to do about this pilot shortage?" Our CEO's response was, "We recently had 12,000 qualified applicants for 100 postions, we don't have a pilot shortage, you do." Our CEO has said though that he is concerned about the shortage at commuters, because it could eventually hit the majors.

 

[Flopgut]

Let's see, the Pacific

Oh yeah, thank you SO much for bringing the Pacific. As a Continental pilot I was going to have to settle with only seeing: Guam, Saipan, Palau, Manila, Yap, Chuuk, Pohnpei, Kosrae, Kwajelin, Majuro, Hong Kong, Cairns, a bunch of airports in Japan, and of course Hawaii. But yeah, hey, thanks for bringing the Pacific!

Look, you did bring some things to the equation. Maybe 50% or so of the good things we have going forward came from sUAL, maybe less. But you brought at least 90% of the problems. This thread is case in point. You messed up our scope big time.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Yes welcome to UNITED!!!! Thanks for chiming in. 16 777s and 30ish 767s? Ahem.