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I didn't know the airport code for atlanta was msp. Go figure.
 
Moving the fsdo to atl is a bluff to get msp to act like a more business friendly operation. Doubtful it'll work and it'll still be msp in charge.

I just don't think Delta can push their weight around like this without long lasting repercussions, and why risk it for a regional that will bleed money for years to come. Unless the plan is to go into another chapter 13 and run Anderson to American for another future merger.

Anyway, jepps are coming.
 
Source: FAA inspector.. Some MEM FAA will work remotely out of MEM. (yeah I know it makes zero sense because of the small amount of flying actually done out of Memphis)
 
mesaba13 said:
Source: FAA inspector.. Some MEM FAA will work remotely out of MEM. (yeah I know it makes zero sense because of the small amount of flying actually done out of Memphis)
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Not saying anyone is wrong, but this would be a major FAA change. Most carriers don't move FFDO's. if you look up most carriers, things don't move from where the certificate is originally located.

Time will tell, and I'm not saying it won't/isn't happening, but it would be interesting to see. Especially since the MEM FSDO has worked very will for the 9E cerficate (in terms of working well for changes). MSP was notoriously named as a PITA by all the mgmt folks I have spoken to (inclusive of MSP folks).

I think this ride has a few more "ups and downs" left in the roller coaster.
 
Wasn't the MEM FSDO guy a 9E ex-CP, TM?

He was before my time there, but good guy from what I heard, put pilots first and apparently that was used to eventually can him. I also heard through some bit of irony that he was the head honcho in MEM so I assume that meant some sort of FSDO guy. Or POI. Something, I don't know what.
 
I stated it poorly in the title and should have said the MSP FSDO will be in charge of the Pinnacle certificate moving forward. This is not a rumor but a done deal. There are some quality individuals in this group so hopefully it will be a good move.
 
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There were/are a couple of good folks from the msp FSDO. (One of those folks frequents this forum). For the most part however some of the higher ups were a pain in the neck to the former XJ operation. Unless they are more reasonable this time around I look for the certificate to be headed south (as in the direction) very soon.
 
Compass is also moving their certificate to the MSP FSDO, from IAD.

This was learned from the FSDO two weeks ago.
 
mesaba13 said:
I stated it poorly in the title and should have said the MSP FSDO will be in charge of the Pinnacle certificate moving forward. This is not a rumor but a done deal. There are some quality individuals in this group so hopefully it will be a good move.
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Interesting in light of the fact that the Mesaba certificate was dumped and the Colgan certificate kept just to avoid the MSP FSDO. Originally the "plan" was to keep the Mesaba certificate for props and dump Colgan. Eventually this changed after the MSP FSDO proved difficult to deal with, and the "plan" was to move all the props to Colgan and call it Mesaba but using the Colgan certificate, just to keep everything with the MEM FSDO.

So they went through all that crap, just to avoid the MSP FSDO, and now they are going back to the MSP FSDO. Sounds about right....regional airline management 101.....don't like our "plan" just wait, it will change....
 
From what I hear and experienced-the MSP FISDO was difficult and made Mesaba do a lot of weird stuff when others did not have to do the same thing. For example-seriously they made us all go to a full days worth of classroom training just to turn the GPS on in the SAabs! 1/2 of the people were using them or playing with them before they disabled the actual device. What a waste. The reason the MSP FISDO was such a bear to work with was they were under a lot of pressure after they had a sitting senator die in a crash by a company who was under their watch. But maybe that pressure is all gone now. And I would suspect that if Delta does not like the MSP FISDO because they are not cooperative-then they will move the operation to ATL
 
How many damned man hours are we going to lose before this bankruptcy is over? Work your ass off to move everything mesaba down to the mem strip mall and lose all the experienced English speakers. Move to the downtown building we can't afford, move back to eagan. Change fsdos a couple times. Jepps, no lido, no jepps. AQP!- wait wait cancel that!- oh we need that, crap! I'm sure there is more, and this doesn't count the perpetual training bubble we will never escape.

I understand missteps happen, it is the perpetual waste that drives me insane.
 
I have a pretty good handle on the whole situation and the pain to deal with thing is very much overstated. From what I know XJ management could be equally as big of a pain as the FSDO itself, like being difficult and just plain resisting the FAA on certain issues.

By the way, with Delta in the driver seat this waste will not continue.
 
mesaba13 said:
I have a pretty good handle on the whole situation and the pain to deal with thing is very much overstated. From what I know XJ management could be equally as big of a pain as the FSDO itself, like being difficult and just plain resisting the FAA on certain issues.
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It really boiled down to a couple of decision-making level people on both sides (FAA and MALA). There was a lot of bad blood there. However, to totally blame the MSP FSDO would not be accurate.

3 sides to every story: FAA, Airline, and The Truth.
 
jynxyjericho said:
How many damned man hours are we going to lose before this bankruptcy is over? Work your ass off to move everything mesaba down to the mem strip mall and lose all the experienced English speakers. Move to the downtown building we can't afford, move back to eagan. Change fsdos a couple times. Jepps, no lido, no jepps. AQP!- wait wait cancel that!- oh we need that, crap! I'm sure there is more, and this doesn't count the perpetual training bubble we will never escape.

I understand missteps happen, it is the perpetual waste that drives me insane.
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AMEN! It's like the whole thing is run by a bunch of low IQ people who suffer from extreme short attention spans, ADD, and who are perpetually drunk and on speed and shrooms, and who love making changes as often as possible without any strategic direction.
 
I don't want to name names on a public forum, so I'll give you a riddle.

First name, D... very common 5 character name that begins and ends with D.

Last name, opposite color of black.
 
Flyer1015 said:
I don't want to name names on a public forum, so I'll give you a riddle.

First name, D... very common 5 character name that begins and ends with D.

Last name, opposite color of black.
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You sir, not only named a management person, but don't even know what that person does anymore.

From a pilot standpoint, it's nothing compared the the old position.

FYI- a good bit had changed since you left, especially names/titles.
 
So he's still there. Nothing really changed then? I can name management (the good ones) who are no longer at 9E because their job was either gone, or had to re-interview and didn't get it back.
 
Flyer1015 said:
So he's still there. Nothing really changed then? I can name management (the good ones) who are no longer at 9E because their job was either gone, or had to re-interview and didn't get it back.
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I never said that... If you "knew" what was going on, you would be aware of the fact that many have a job until the end of may or June with the hq move underway. Some will remain and move, others will leave.
 
Flyer-the old 9E is long gone and that goes the same for the old XJ. Things are a changing and we who are all still stuck here can only hope it will change for the best. It will be hard to remain positive as Delta just got done raping us in our contract (yes, it is my assumption that they were behind what happened to us). We can only hope that there will be some positives here and some FO's will get a chance at an upgrade because of movement. Once Delta starts hiring there will be about 70-100 flows gone and then any Delta takes from the Bridge agreement.

I do see Delta changing our name-it would make sense to try to begin on a new footing. I would also expect them to make the operation run smoother by attempting to put some quality people in and hopefully changing some of the crappy policies the Pinnacle has in place. You can see this by them taking over IT and hopefully they will get their scheduling under control and stop being idiots and misusing crews in a wasteful manner. I guess they are also working on bringing down the fence and one would hope we would have the ability to be able to fly all three aircraft like skywest can-yes, I said three types of aircraft. 200-700-900. If rumors are true- Seems Delta mainline will also be doing engine work down in ATL. We will be Delta in all but name, pay and of course, RESPECT.
 
xjhawk said:
Flyer-the old 9E is long gone and that goes the same for the old XJ. Things are a changing and we who are all still stuck here can only hope it will change for the best. It will be hard to remain positive as Delta just got done raping us in our contract (yes, it is my assumption that they were behind what happened to us). We can only hope that there will be some positives here and some FO's will get a chance at an upgrade because of movement. Once Delta starts hiring there will be about 70-100 flows gone and then any Delta takes from the Bridge agreement.

I do see Delta changing our name-it would make sense to try to begin on a new footing. I would also expect them to make the operation run smoother by attempting to put some quality people in and hopefully changing some of the crappy policies the Pinnacle has in place. You can see this by them taking over IT and hopefully they will get their scheduling under control and stop being idiots and misusing crews in a wasteful manner. I guess they are also working on bringing down the fence and one would hope we would have the ability to be able to fly all three aircraft like skywest can-yes, I said three types of aircraft. 200-700-900. If rumors are true- Seems Delta mainline will also be doing engine work down in ATL. We will be Delta in all but name, pay and of course, RESPECT.
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Oh, this ought to be good. I can't wait to see how Flyer and not so shyguy shoot holes in your optimisim
 
Nope, all I can say is best of luck and hope things get better, or that the good guys get out soon to greener pastures.
 

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