Sign of the coming hiring boom

[pilotyip]

Eagle hiring 15 pilots every 2 weeks (300-400 in 2013)
-20 senior pilots flow through to AA each month
-Less than 100 applicants in the pool......very high no show rate for interviews
- only 35% of those interviewed are hired, down from over 50% when pool had 500+

Training performance based on hours and background from 2011-2013
-500-800 total time excellent performance in class
-Previous 121-135 job....good performance
-Second career (former lawyer, architect, real estate, etc) poor performance
-900-1500 total time CFIs poorest performers of all

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Interesting!, source, link ect

 

[Flyer1015]

Only the regional level, no shortage of any applicants at the LCC/Major level.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Only the regional level, no shortage of any applicants at the LCC/Major level.

Exactly.

 

[wms]

The demand for pilots at the majors for the next 1 1/2-2 decades out- numbers the number of pilots at the regionals; and projected applicants. There have been 3000 commercial certificates issued in the last five years, mostly to foreign students.

We can argue a shortage all we want. The major airline mgmts know the reality and are expressing concerns about future staffing.

If the number of pilots doesn't increase, the solution to not enough pilots will be to increase capacity and reduce fleet size. That means there will be enough pilots to staff the planes, but not enough planes to meet passenger demand.

 

[kf4amu]

You can get a commercial certificate in 6 months. There will be no pilot shortage once they start paying the market rate for pilots

 

[JustaNumber]

You can get a commercial certificate in 6 months. There will be no pilot shortage once they start paying the market rate for pilots

Did you really forget about the 1500 hour rule starting this summer? (Although I agree we would be amazed at how many experienced pilots would start coming out of the woodwork for the right price).

 

[wms]

You can get a commercial certificate in 6 months. There will be no pilot shortage once they start paying the market rate for pilots

And how many years to get the ATP which will be required, and not easy or cheap to get? After August you will need a crm/advanced aircraft course in a level 4 sim to take the written, according to the requirements our training dept received from our Feds.

The relief from the pilot shortage will not come soon or be cheap and will get much worse in the mean time.

 

[kf4amu]

There are plenty of contract, corporate, charter, etc guys that would jump to a better job, if the job was attractive enough. No pilot shortage.

 

[Twisted Mind]

I would agree not a shortage of pilots. a shortage of pilots willing to work for the current compensation and work rules. I heard Pinnacle is going to hire this fall.

 

[big shacks]

You heard correct! They are leaving or trying to leave before this ship sinks.

 

[pilotyip]

Interesting!, source, link ect

WATS (World Airline Training Symposium) @ MCO, reported also Express Jet is losing 30 pilots a month and the no show rate for interviews and class date is increasing. All regional reported they have almost no pool to draw from. You might be able to pull this stuff from their web site

I remember being at the Job Fairs in the mid 90's all the majors said that had 12,000 applications on hand from qualified applicants, by 1999 those 12,000 had been hired and they were having trouble finding expereinced pilots.

Again this starts at the bottom. In 1996 no interview at AE unless you had 500 hours in the last year, by 2000 UAL was hiring without a college degree due to not being able to find experienced college grads. We will just watch and see what happens.

 

[xjhawk]

and who is Pinnacle going to get to come? If our union was smart, they would advertise just how bad of a contract we have and the fact that in 2015 we will be parking 100 aircraft. Advertise and let any applicant know that they could go elsewhere for better pay, better QOL, and a faster upgrade. Make Delta squirm and see how they react when they cannot fill the seats for all their 900's. They could try to let another regional fill those seats but I am sure that will be almost impossible unless they greatly increase the pay to fly them. Or, they could do something meaningful and make those 900's under the Delta certificate-that is the only way they will solve the problem of staffing will be solved.

 

[Clutch]

and who is Pinnacle going to get to come? If our union was smart, they would advertise just how bad of a contract we have and the fact that in 2015 we will be parking 100 aircraft. Advertise and let any applicant know that they could go elsewhere for better pay, better QOL, and a faster upgrade. Make Delta squirm and see how they react when they cannot fill the seats for all their 900's. They could try to let another regional fill those seats but I am sure that will be almost impossible unless they greatly increase the pay to fly them. Or, they could do something meaningful and make those 900's under the Delta certificate-that is the only way they will solve the problem of staffing will be solved.

There will always be some clown willing to work for your wages, thus, they will fit right in at Pinnacle.

 

[pilotyip]

There will always be some clown willing to work for your wages, thus, they will fit right in at Pinnacle.

You have to start some place, building ME TJ time is a step in your career. You are not signing on for a ten year hitch. I know a lot of guys who got their start there and now work for FedEx, DAL, SWA etc.

It will take you approximately 10 years to get to a job that will allow you to start making QOL a goal in your job search. Pilots get hired at good places because they have Turbine PIC, you must build turbine PIC to have control over your career. You have to go wherever that job is that gets you turbine PIC. You stay in that job until you can get another job that gives you better turbine PIC, i.e. Bigger airplanes, Turbojet, 121, etc. It is called paying your dues everyone must do it. Some do it in the military, some do it at the regionals, and some do in the on-demand business. Everyone pays his or her dues.

 

[flyboyike]

RAH will need 10 new F/Os every 12 days come June, when the AE E175s start arriving. That's in addition to any other hiring we'll need to do. I don't know if that constitutes any kind of a boom, but it's better than nothing.

 

[WSurf]

Don't forget that the pacific/Asia market is said 2 need 160,000 pilots over then next 10 years. I see a few headed there!

 

[jmreii]

I believe many of us will continue to wait on the side lines because we have already been there and done it. Pay/benefits are everything even if acquiring these attributes requires working for a foreign carrier. I have absolutely no confidence in some US carriers paying a livable wages.

 

[CX880]

RAH will need 10 new F/Os every 12 days come June, when the AE E175s start arriving. .

Lol good luck

 

[livin'thesim]

The lowest quality regionals and dirtbag charter operators will experience the largest problems getting pilots.

The "shortage" will not show up much at the majors, except possibly having to lower competitive mins a little bit.