Sign of the coming hiring boom

[PBRstreetgang]

Lol good luck

Got rejected on the first try huh? Well dog boy at least you can lick your own nuts, at least ya got that goin' for ya.

 

[flyboyike]

Lol good luck

Kinda the way I feel, too. They're having enough trouble filling classes as it is.

 

[spudskier]

All except for ExpressJet which will become smaller and smaller until it's wound down.

Why?
Losing DCI 200s starting this fall
Consistently abysmal performance numbers on the UAX and AE flying which will lead to non-renewal of contracts.

We might be losing 10-30/month on the CRJ side but there's probably a good reason why we're not upgrading. It's getting a little scary and even though I have 400-500 people under me, if I don't get out in the next few years, I'll be worried about my job.

 

[pilotyip]

The "shortage" will not show up much at the majors, except possibly having to lower competitive mins a little bit.

Exactly, no shortage, just redefined competitive minimums, no longer will you need "Two Logged Lunar Landings" to get an interview at UAL, the college degree will become preferred, a busted check ride on your CFI in 1987 will become a non-issue, and hiring ratio will go up to 1 out of 2 get the job offer.

 

[ualdriver]

Eagle hiring 15 pilots every 2 weeks (300-400 in 2013)
-20 senior pilots flow through to AA each month
-Less than 100 applicants in the pool......very high no show rate for interviews
- only 35% of those interviewed are hired, down from over 50% when pool had 500+

Training performance based on hours and background from 2011-2013
-500-800 total time excellent performance in class
-Previous 121-135 job....good performance
-Second career (former lawyer, architect, real estate, etc) poor performance
-900-1500 total time CFIs poorest performers of all

I'm still waiting for the shortage you predicted for 2012. Now we're in one now because Eagle (supposedly) has only 100 apps in their pool? Call me when Eagle has to park ONE jet for lack of pilots. Heck, call me when any regional has to park one jet.

Nice back handed attack of the 1500 hr rule. I guess the industry is doomed because they have to hire 1500 hour CFIs instead of 500 hr commercial pilots with the ink still wet on their certificates? Right.

Maybe if your industry and the regional airline industry got together and started treating their entry level pilots with respect, including paying a wage high enough to entice people into the profession instead of treating your pilots like crap, you wouldn't have to worry about a 1500 hr rule. Yes, yes. I know. Pilots from your airline have gone on to FedEx, Southwest, and the likes.

 

[JohnDoe]

I'm still waiting for the shortage you predicted for 2012. Now we're in one now because Eagle (supposedly) has only 100 apps in their pool? Call me when Eagle has to park ONE jet for lack of pilots. Heck, call me when any regional has to park one jet.

Nice back handed attack of the 1500 hr rule. I guess the industry is doomed because they have to hire 1500 hour CFIs instead of 500 hr commercial pilots with the ink still wet on their certificates? Right.

Maybe if your industry and the regional airline industry got together and started treating their entry level pilots with respect, including paying a wage high enough to entice people into the profession instead of treating your pilots like crap, you wouldn't have to worry about a 1500 hr rule. Yes, yes. I know. Pilots from your airline have gone on to FedEx, Southwest, and the likes.

Pilotyip has been spouting the "impending" hiring boom for years/near decade on here.....

I haven't posted on this site in years, and I come back to see the same lines from him. It is quite amusing.

There is no shortage of pilots. There is a shortage of people willing to work for the peanuts these companies want to pay. Pay and benefits go up, "and they will come."

 

[Jetjockey]

Eagle hiring 15 pilots every 2 weeks (300-400 in 2013)
-20 senior pilots flow through to AA each month
-Less than 100 applicants in the pool......very high no show rate for interviews
- only 35% of those interviewed are hired, down from over 50% when pool had 500+

Training performance based on hours and background from 2011-2013
-500-800 total time excellent performance in class
-Previous 121-135 job....good performance
-Second career (former lawyer, architect, real estate, etc) poor performance
-900-1500 total time CFIs poorest performers of all

Kit Darby??? Is that you? Any deals on glossy magazines with hiring info?

 

[Smarta$$]

I'm still waiting for the shortage you predicted for 2012. Now we're in one now because Eagle (supposedly) has only 100 apps in their pool? Call me when Eagle has to park ONE jet for lack of pilots. Heck, call me when any regional has to park one jet.

Nice back handed attack of the 1500 hr rule. I guess the industry is doomed because they have to hire 1500 hour CFIs instead of 500 hr commercial pilots with the ink still wet on their certificates? Right.

Maybe if your industry and the regional airline industry got together and started treating their entry level pilots with respect, including paying a wage high enough to entice people into the profession instead of treating your pilots like crap, you wouldn't have to worry about a 1500 hr rule. Yes, yes. I know. Pilots from your airline have gone on to FedEx, Southwest, and the likes.

Totally agree. I picked up on that 1500 hour CFI supposedly doing badly as well. Full of crap.

 

[pilotyip]

Kit Darby??? Is that you? Any deals on glossy magazines with hiring info?

only passing along what was seen at the WATS conference

 

[JohnDoe]

only passing along what was seen at the WATS conference

No you aren't. You are continuing your years-long "hiring boom" meme.

 

[labbats]

Free Beer Tomorrow!

 

[paid4training]

And how many years to get the ATP which will be required, and not easy or cheap to get? After August you will need a crm/advanced aircraft course in a level 4 sim to take the written, according to the requirements our training dept received from our Feds.

The relief from the pilot shortage will not come soon or be cheap and will get much worse in the mean time.

Excuse my ignorance but.... HUH???? WTH? After August what? I have an initial F-90 course and the ATP mins and currently studying for the written, is that good enough or do I need to complete before aug? This is the first of this I've heard!

 

[Flyer1015]

RAH will need 10 new F/Os every 12 days come June, when the AE E175s start arriving. That's in addition to any other hiring we'll need to do. I don't know if that constitutes any kind of a boom, but it's better than nothing.

Actually what would be better is if AA flew those E175s.

 

[Flyer1015]

Kit Darby??? Is that you? Any deals on glossy magazines with hiring info?

Why do people blame Kit Darby? He made a fortune because idiot pilots would buy his stuff.

 

[JustaNumber]

Training performance based on hours and background from 2011-2013
-500-800 total time excellent performance in class
-Previous 121-135 job....good performance
-Second career (former lawyer, architect, real estate, etc) poor performance
-900-1500 total time CFIs poorest performers of all

I understand that you are passing this on, but I do have to question the logic here. Are all low time pilots excellent, but then become poor performers the more experience they get? If so, will hiring <800 hour pilots mean they will become poor performers between 900-1500 hours at the regional? Or do they only lose brain capacity while teaching others how to fly? How does this work?

 

[flyboyike]

Actually what would be better is if AA flew those E175s.

Concur, but that ship sailed a long time ago.

 

[HA25]

Eagle hiring 15 pilots every 2 weeks (300-400 in 2013)
-20 senior pilots flow through to AA each month
-Less than 100 applicants in the pool......very high no show rate for interviews
- only 35% of those interviewed are hired, down from over 50% when pool had 500+

Training performance based on hours and background from 2011-2013
-500-800 total time excellent performance in class
-Previous 121-135 job....good performance
-Second career (former lawyer, architect, real estate, etc) poor performance
-900-1500 total time CFIs poorest performers of all

great, there's a shortage of $23/hr jobs.... wonderful news for our profession!

 

[HA25]

I understand that you are passing this on, but I do have to question the logic here. Are all low time pilots excellent, but then become poor performers the more experience they get? If so, will hiring <800 hour pilots mean they will become poor performers between 900-1500 hours at the regional? Or do they only lose brain capacity while teaching others how to fly? How does this work?

maybe those are the duds that shouldn't be flying for a living and couldn't pass the 1/2 dozen eval/interviews they've had prior to being hired... who knows?

There is such a thing as a pilot who has no business flying tho, we all know them... sad thing is this profession has a hard time getting rid of weak performers for some reason.... don't see this happening with Doctors, and certainly not surgeons.

 

[atr42flyer]

The demand for pilots at the majors for the next 1 1/2-2 decades out- numbers the number of pilots at the regionals; and projected applicants. There have been 3000 commercial certificates issued in the last five years, mostly to foreign students.

We can argue a shortage all we want. The major airline mgmts know the reality and are expressing concerns about future staffing.

If the number of pilots doesn't increase, the solution to not enough pilots will be to increase capacity and reduce fleet size. That means there will be enough pilots to staff the planes, but not enough planes to meet passenger demand.

WRONG! You should really do some research into the figures your spewing as facts.

straight from the FAA website they issued 8,559 commercial certificates and 4,677 ATP's this is in 2011 alone! data for 2012 is not yet available.

 

[Flyer1015]

WRONG! You should really do some research into the figures your spewing as facts.

straight from the FAA website they issued 8,559 commercial certificates and 4,677 ATP's this is in 2011 alone! data for 2012 is not yet available.

I was one of those 4,677