Pinnacle TA Passes....

[xjhawk]

I truly hope you experience something worse than what we have gone through so you can maybe enlighten yourself on the decision we all had to make. ALPA was not paying my mortgage and our only choice was to have our flying be given to the same idiots who are saying we should "hold the line". The issue of this new contract is not on our backs, but on ALPA national and the mainline carrier who forced it on us. Good luck to the United regional carriers. You are next. Oh and "hold the line" jack hole.

 

[big shacks]

I can't believe all the crap Mesaba guys have gone through in the last 10 years. Talk about a revolving sh!t storm. Time to get out! Hopefully we can.

 

[ohplease!]

just like a sheep Jenny, whatever the Co tells u, just like you voting to allow bigger RJs for $$$$, not only a putz but a chump as well

Pncl, gojet and mesa "bargain basement" crew costs + "bigger RJs" = 717's, md88\90's etc aren't quite so profitable as one might think...at any fuel price.

Think Delta can't or won't get around mainline scope and pay rates and grow the RJ's while shrinking mainline....AGAIN?

Pilots are pathetically dumb. If alpa or any pilot group was so damn smart they'd be taking home millions with golden parachutes to leave on when they get tired of the game (their resumes and experience are totally portable)....pilots do nothing more than thump their chests while looking down on each other and telling themselves how smart they are.....chess champions vs. checker chumps

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

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[CaribPilot]

I truly hope you experience something worse than what we have gone through so you can maybe enlighten yourself on the decision we all had to make. ALPA was not paying my mortgage and our only choice was to have our flying be given to the same idiots who are saying we should "hold the line". The issue of this new contract is not on our backs, but on ALPA national and the mainline carrier who forced it on us. Good luck to the United regional carriers. You are next. Oh and "hold the line" jack hole.

So what happens if Pinnacle closes up shop tmrw? Can't pay mortgage?

No plan B at an airline that was in bankruptcy for over a year?

 

[A-10_JetMech]

I can't believe all the crap Mesaba guys have gone through in the last 10 years. Talk about a revolving sh!t storm. Time to get out! Hopefully we can.

With you on that one. About to go back to wages from 10 yrs. ago while the CEO gets to cash in. XJ was a good place to work until it got purchased by a regional that can't predict 6:00 at 5:30.

 

[big shacks]

How many plan B's?? You act like this is our first BK? two year low... two year high......repeat repeat. STudy

 

[General Lee]

Pncl, gojet and mesa "bargain basement" crew costs + "bigger RJs" = 717's, md88\90's etc aren't quite so profitable as one might think...at any fuel price.

Think Delta can't or won't get around mainline scope and pay rates and grow the RJ's while shrinking mainline....AGAIN?

Pilots are pathetically dumb. If alpa or any pilot group was so damn smart they'd be taking home millions with golden parachutes to leave on when they get tired of the game (their resumes and experience are totally portable)....pilots do nothing more than thump their chests while looking down on each other and telling themselves how smart they are.....chess champions vs. checker chumps

Ummm, used MD90s are now going for $8-9 million each, including the engines. You could get 4 of those for the price of one new CR9. Management supposedly likes them for the efficiency and the performance of the MD90 is a lot like the 737-800, at a fraction of the cost.

What OhPlease doesn't seem to understand is that there is now a RATIO included in the new contract that keeps mainline flying growing, while keeping regional flying at a smaller percentage. That wasn't in any of the other contracts. Also, there are EXACT numbers of permitted RJs (of each size), and the overall number HAS TO DECREASE. Also, the new 76 seaters are tied in to the number of 717s the company gets. If the 717s aren't delivered, the new 76 seaters aren't either. I'd say that is a WIN for mainline, and the supposed 1000 new jobs coming in 2014-2015 due to the 88 717s plus 10 or so more MD90s is a WIN for people who want to go to mainline.


Here is an article talking about how much a new CR9 costs:


Bombardier gets $317M jet order
Last Updated: Friday, July 2, 2010 | 4:26 PM ET

Deutsche Lufthansa AG of Germany is buying eight more regional jets from Bombardier Aerospace, the Montreal-based company said Friday.
Based on the list price for the CRJ900 NextGen aircraft, the contract is valued at approximately $317 million US.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

yea PUTZ, that's why D bought more bigger RJs, you cave every time, & ohplease is right, you'll be doing more caving

 

[rene]

Mesa looking much better now?

With more than 120 pilots making more than $100K?

Way to go guys!
You voted overwhelmingly to lose your jobs and F your next one. Even AMR was closer than you sh!ts.

American Airlines pilots Friday approved a proposed contract with the Fort Worth-based carrier, which now has new labor deals approved by all nine of its unionized bargaining units.

The decision by Allied Pilots Association members boosts American’s efforts to settle its affairs and emerge from bankruptcy court in the first part of 2013.

The pilots on Aug. 8 had rejected a previous proposal, known as American’s “last, best and final offer,” by a 61%-39% margin. U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane on Sept. 4 approved American’s request to throw out the pilots’ existing contract, a concessionary deal dating from 2003

 

[General Lee]

yea PUTZ, that's why D bought more bigger RJs, you cave every time, & ohplease is right, you'll be doing more caving

When is your flight back to Vietnam? That will be so fun for you and Dahni. I hear this time you might go for the Lav Dumping position at Vietnam Airlines? Good for you! Wear your face guard, you don't want to bring home stuff to Danhi that is pure nasty!


Bye good friend.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

yea PUTZ, that's why D bought more bigger RJs, you cave every time, & ohplease is right, you'll be doing more caving

Boeing Bargains With Delta for a Billion-Dollar Deal


By Dan Ritter
January 24, 2013

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http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/boeing-bargains-with-delta-for-a-billion-dollar-deal.html/2/


Already juggling tenuous contract negotiations with a labor union and the ongoing investigation into lithium-ion batteries aboard its 787 Dreamliner, Boeingis engaged in talks with Delta over an order for as many as 30 aircraft.

People familiar with the matter told Bloomberg that as part of a fleet-overhaul initiative, Delta, the world’s second-largest airline, is evaluating whether it wants to replace some of its 50-seat aircraft with the Boeing 737 or the Airbus A320. Both planes are a rung below the Dreamliner in the hierarchy of aircraft, but have been the backbone of the industry for years.

Estimates put the size of the deal at about $1 billion, a deep discount to the nearly $3 billion listed retail value for an order this large. Boeing may be willing to offer steeper discounts in light of all the bad mojo the company has accumulated over the past few weeks because of the Dreamliner battery fiasco. In 2012, for the first time in a decade, Boeing out-delivered its European rival. The company highlighted its victory with an initiative to double its Dreamliner production capacity, but with fleets grounded for a week already, Boeing’s ambitions have been complicated…



Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[ohplease!]

Ummm, used MD90s are now going for $8-9 million each, including the engines. You could get 4 of those for the price of one new CR9. Management supposedly likes them for the efficiency and the performance of the MD90 is a lot like the 737-800, at a fraction of the cost.

What OhPlease doesn't seem to understand is that there is now a RATIO included in the new contract that keeps mainline flying growing, while keeping regional flying at a smaller percentage. That wasn't in any of the other contracts. Also, there are EXACT numbers of permitted RJs (of each size), and the overall number HAS TO DECREASE. Also, the new 76 seaters are tied in to the number of 717s the company gets. If the 717s aren't delivered, the new 76 seaters aren't either. I'd say that is a WIN for mainline, and the supposed 1000 new jobs coming in 2014-2015 due to the 88 717s plus 10 or so more MD90s is a WIN for people who want to go to mainline.


Here is an article talking about how much a new CR9 costs:


Bombardier gets $317M jet order
Last Updated: Friday, July 2, 2010 | 4:26 PM ET

Deutsche Lufthansa AG of Germany is buying eight more regional jets from Bombardier Aerospace, the Montreal-based company said Friday.
Based on the list price for the CRJ900 NextGen aircraft, the contract is valued at approximately $317 million US.



Bye Bye---General Lee

nobody EVER pays list price ya'fn retard you're quotes, articles and comments are about as logical and intelligent as the radical anti-gun morons. But you keep on believing that contract "guarantee" is iron clad. Simpleton.

 

[General Lee]

nobody EVER pays list price ya'fn retard you're quotes, articles and comments are about as logical and intelligent as the radical anti-gun morons. But you keep on believing that contract "guarantee" is iron clad. Simpleton.

You're right, check out DL possibly buying 24-30 737s or A320s for around $1 billion! (and trying to trade in more 50 seaters) What you don't seem to understand yet is that the only place you can change a contract is in BK, ask the PNCL guys. DL is nowhere close to that now, not saying it couldn't happen again, but thanks to consolidation and new ancilary revenue from bag and change fees ($2.5 Billion last year alone, and those fees were not around prior to DL and UA BKs), it is a bit unlikely. The three legacies are all getting stronger to compete on the World stage.

Soooooooooooo, the contract seems to be more and more solid, and that affects you personally, which makes you upset. Please come up with an example of how you think the "ironclad contracts" could possibly be changed. (you probably can't other than a BK) Well, if you want, you can apply to all 3 majors soon and try to upgrade your pay and benefits. I personally hope a lot of you get hired at the legacies and move on towards that better pay and benefits, and a chance to try out some different flying. Good luck!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Waylon]

I agree with General, the only way large RJ's grow is when Delta mainline grows. And the percentage of large RJ growth is a pretty small compared to what mainline has to add. Some of the new airplanes are going to be replacements but if Delta wants to grow large RJ's they have to grow the fleet. It's just that simple.