Pinnacle TA Passes....

[Speedtape]

The General is happy with the YES vote. It provides more money in the cookie jar for him to grab. The YES vote just made all you his beeoches!

 

[livin'thesim]

I think its pretty funny how histrionic all you regional guys can get.

Especially the internet tough guys who want other people to fall on their swords so your cruddy little regional can pick up all their flying and then hire the furloughed guys on at the bottom of your lists.

I'll never ask another pilot to commit financial suicide so that my position in the industry is preserved.

It is POSSIBLE that the pcnl pilots chickened out, but the real coward is little girls like clutch who were probably licking their chops over the idea of picking up the flying from a shuttered pcnl.

In my book, anything that can get a tool like clutch hyperventilating like that was probably the right thing to do.

I know some real pros at pcnl, and I know that they would have made the best choice given the available options. REAL pilots, too. With many, many years in the industry. I trust their judgment in this matter. A lot more than I do a bunch of whiners from other regionals who are apparently really tough, but not so tough that they don't need to ask other pilots to sacrifice themselves.

Yeah, you guys are real heroes.



Clutch:

"How could you all do this to meeeeeeeee?!?!?!?!?!"

 

[Clutch]

Actually, I would have voted no because I'm not a little vagina

 

[mesaba13]

Nice post livin I think you hit it on the head.

Clutch, the key word there is WOULD have, meaning you were absolutely not in our position.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The General is happy with the YES vote. It provides more money in the cookie jar for him to grab. The YES vote just made all you his beeoches!

Exactly why ALPA is a complete fraud. They are in blatent conflict of interest to be representing both mainline and its regional "partners" There is one pot of money Delta saw a reason to give more of it to mainline and in turn needed to take some from regionals to stay balanced.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Exactly why ALPA is a complete fraud. They are in blatant conflict of interest to be representing both mainline and its regional "partners" There is one pot of money Delta saw a reason to give more of it to mainline and in turn needed to take some from regional's to stay balanced.

Wait, are you implying that ALPA is in collusion with the company? Is the Illuminati in on this too?

This "conflict" that is lamented would be a lot more believable if the "evidence" provided wasn't so full of crap.

 

[XJohXJ]

Hmm. Let's see... Delta ALPA pilots are going to bring home bigger paychecks because of the significantly increased profit Delta will make from forcing Pinnacle ALPA FO's into poverty, and greatly reducing the income of all Pinnacle ALPA pilots.

That's not a conflict of interest?

I'm not interested in hearing any legalistic bull********************. Just answer as a normal human being would. Is the fact that ALPA represents both Delta and Pinnalce, and Delta pilots are getting a huge raise in part due to an agreement which directly (not by name, albeit) guts Pinnacle Airlines, combined with increased profit sharing just when profits are going to soar, in part due to abusive BK wage cuts at Pinnacle, is that considered altogether not a conflict of interest?

 

[ASAFOE120]

Hmm. Let's see... Delta ALPA pilots are going to bring home bigger paychecks because of the significantly increased profit Delta will make from forcing Pinnacle ALPA FO's into poverty, and greatly reducing the income of all Pinnacle ALPA pilots.

That's not a conflict of interest?

I'm not interested in hearing any legalistic bull********************. Just answer as a normal human being would. Is the fact that ALPA represents both Delta and Pinnalce, and Delta pilots are getting a huge raise in part due to an agreement which directly (not by name, albeit) guts Pinnacle Airlines, combined with increased profit sharing just when profits are going to soar, in part due to abusive BK wage cuts at Pinnacle, is that considered altogether not a conflict of interest?

I think you are exactly right. And if a vote was taken at ASA to kick out ALPA, I would be all for it.

 

[General Lee]

Wait a second. I'm not happy about anyone possibly losing their job, rather I am happy that incoming 717s will eventually add mainline jobs, which are better overall with higher pay and benefits. Will it be a one for one trade? Probably not, but 50 seat RJs can't make money during high oil prices, which is fact. Add a PNCL BK, not done by ALPA, and zero other parties offering DIP financing to help, and your airline was backed into a financial corner. How was that ALPA's fault? The mainline pilot contract does give raises, almost 20% in 3 years, and hopefully more to come when some of you join the pilot group in the next few years.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[gojo]

Wait a second. I'm not happy about anyone possibly losing their job, rather I am happy that incoming 717s will eventually add mainline jobs, which are better overall with higher pay and benefits. Will it be a one for one trade? Probably not, but 50 seat RJs can't make money during high oil prices, which is fact. Add a PNCL BK, not done by ALPA, and zero other parties offering DIP financing to help, and your airline was backed into a financial corner. How was that ALPA's fault? The mainline pilot contract does give raises, almost 20% in 3 years, and hopefully more to come when some of you join the pilot group in the next few years.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Pinnacle had bone heads running the place. Or should I say ruining the place. Their incompetence made them vulnerable. Delta saw this and took advantage of the oppertunity.

 

[General Lee]

Pinnacle had bone heads running the place. Or should I say ruining the place. Their incompetence made them vulnerable. Delta saw this and took advantage of the oppertunity.

It might not be fair or nice, but business is business. The DL BK wasn't fun for anyone but lawyers either. Doug Parker at USAir tried to take advantage of the situation when DL was in BK. Stuff like that happens every day.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

More brilliance about the obvious and repetitious by none other than the FI queen Jenny Leigh. Why aren't you over on the major board making your thoughts known on Delta & PNCL MEC negating without the Delta MEC? No you'd rather insult the regionals with your 'advice' and same tired old rants and posts. Are YOU really even Delta pilot, or you in your room at moms? My goodness, must you always give us your useless thoughts and advice? PUTZ!

 

[titans10]

Hmm. Let's see... Delta ALPA pilots are going to bring home bigger paychecks because of the significantly increased profit Delta will make from forcing Pinnacle ALPA FO's into poverty, and greatly reducing the income of all Pinnacle ALPA pilots.

That's not a conflict of interest?

I'm not interested in hearing any legalistic bull********************. Just answer as a normal human being would. Is the fact that ALPA represents both Delta and Pinnalce, and Delta pilots are getting a huge raise in part due to an agreement which directly (not by name, albeit) guts Pinnacle Airlines, combined with increased profit sharing just when profits are going to soar, in part due to abusive BK wage cuts at Pinnacle, is that considered altogether not a conflict of interest?

So, delta pilots should say no thanks to the pay raise. Where was your uproar when mainline was BK and cutting wages. While, regionals were exploding. That's different right.

 

[climbhappy]

the ATW (air transport world) clip said pay would be reduced by 25%...what does that mean for first year FO pay?

 

[General Lee]

More brilliance about the obvious and repetitious by none other than the FI queen Jenny Leigh. Why aren't you over on the major board making your thoughts known on Delta & PNCL MEC negating without the Delta MEC? No you'd rather insult the regionals with your 'advice' and same tired old rants and posts. Are YOU really even Delta pilot, or you in your room at moms? My goodness, must you always give us your useless thoughts and advice? PUTZ!

You need to go back to Vietnam. Ever since you left the Mekong Delta, you have been angry. Maybe you should hitch a ride on a freighter ship and start over in Da Nang or Ho Chi Min City? Yeah, you just need to do it. Definitely. Good luck!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[XJohXJ]

So, delta pilots should say no thanks to the pay raise. Where was your uproar when mainline was BK and cutting wages. While, regionals were exploding. That's different right.

I don't blame Delta pilots one bit for taking pay raises. I am merely pointing out that perhaps ALPA is a bit useless when they preside over a system that devastates one group of pilots while benefiting another group, and meanwhile making sure that job pay and experience is completely not portable.

 

[jynxyjericho]

I don't blame Delta pilots one bit for taking pay raises. I am merely pointing out that perhaps ALPA is a bit useless when they preside over a system that devastates one group of pilots while benefiting another group, and meanwhile making sure that job pay and experience is completely not portable.

WAIT WAIT WAIT... tell me again how ALPA is presiding over this bankruptcy system and over Delta's strategic decisions? You have a chance to convince everyone, including me, of our need to dump ALPA tomorrow.

The reason you are characterizing them as useless is because they don't preside over industry realities like mainline strategic decisions and bankruptcy law. Furthermore, PILOTS are the reason your pay and experience isn't portable. Not all pilots, just US pilots. Learn about what Jazz did a decade back, they broke the back of the whipsaw and did one giant SLI and didn't care about every pilots complaints. They acted as a unified pilot group. What's our excuse? Stupidity.

 

[General Lee]

I don't blame Delta pilots one bit for taking pay raises. I am merely pointing out that perhaps ALPA is a bit useless when they preside over a system that devastates one group of pilots while benefiting another group, and meanwhile making sure that job pay and experience is completely not portable.

A National seniority list is unfair if you have a choice on which airline you want to work for. If you chose wrong, that isn't anyone else's fault. It's like buying a lottery ticket, you might win, or you might lose. Also, the BK devastated PNCL, not ALPA. When nobody else would provide DIP financing, your group lost.

There are some airlines abroad that do hire with your experience, hiring DECs, or Direct Entry Captains. Garuda Indonesia is accepting RJ Capts I believe to flying their incoming CRJ-1000s. There are opportunities out there if you don't want to start over.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

a lottery ticket, really......such a useless putz

 

[General Lee]

a lottery ticket, really......such a useless putz

Case in point, Freebrd. He decided to go overseas to Vietnam. He wanted to see something "different", both topography wise and romance wise. He found both apparently. He got to see exciting cities like Da Nang and Hanoi. He also met "something" called "Danhi." It was probably very exciting for him, but for some reason he got "out of town" quick? Too bad Freebrd only described his time there with tears. Awwwwhhh!


Bye Bye---General Lee