LXjet Mec lowers the bar.......

[Butterbean]

A mutually beneficial working relationship between the ASA MEC, the XJT MEC, and the Company is essential. Our Transition and Process Agreement (TPA), as agreed to by the Company, ASA and XJT MECs, establishes terms for a smooth transition process to reach a single, unified Pilot group with a single contract. The Company and the XJT MEC met last week without the ASA MEC to obtain new equipment terms and conditions, including new equipment pay rates.
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If management approaches either of the pilot groups to make significant changes to our current CBAs, we could soon find ourselves in a ‘race to the bottom’ scenario by negotiating with either MEC separately. Notable changes to one contract without the approval of the other MEC could result in consequences that would compromise reaching a JCBA. Without question, whipsawing is a common tactic used by airline managements – such tactics must be defended against by enforcing our Transition and Process Agreement. The ASA MEC supports the XJT MEC obtaining favorable terms and conditions for new equipment; however we feel it is important to follow the agreed-upon process to reach such agreement.
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The*****ASA*****MEC has*****initiated the process to enforce the*****TPA provisions where applicable. The*****ASA*****MEC is hopeful that the*****XJT*****MEC will negotiate with one goal in mind, a unity of purpose, and close cooperation among both the*****ASA*****MEC and*****XJT*****MEC to ensure all pilot’s interests are represented.

 

[rjacobs]

Dear ASA MEC:

If you want us to negotiate a JCBA than dont draw a line in the sand and demand "your way or the highway" on certain provisions. You not only pissed off the LXJT MEC, but apparently you pissed off the company also. You have caused this, not us and now YOU want a seat at the table to try to influence something that has to do with OUR contract.


Please explain how we have lowered the bar? Have we agreed to a cheaper rate for 70+ seat airplanes that LASA? Did we prod management to negotiate these rates?

 

[xkuzme1]

You want a say in how LXJT negotiates a part of their contract, but L-ASA demands that LXJT accepts their PBS. What could possible going on in the heads of the ASA MEC?

 

[yasir1212]

"...MEC will negotiate with one goal in mind, a unity of purpose, and close cooperation..."

My @ss! You guys drew a line in the sand and pissed off many people, including management. And now you come on here to "...ensure all pilot’s interests are represented..." Good one!

 

[Speedtape]

Maybe they know something you don't from 2 years of bidding with it?

Globalization sucks! Ask any Continental pilot. It makes no difference what brand--Ames, AOS, SmartPref, or ADOPT.

The Delta pilots figured that out when they chose Navtec, the only seniority based system at the time, over the previous mentioned systems. Yes, SmartPref was available then and it was tested (to the extent that a non-operating system can be). It was rejected because it did not honor seniority and awards could not be explained. That's a good enough testimony for me. By the way, they were in bankruptcy.

Maybe line pilots should do some homework and make some phone calls to any buddies you have at Delta, ASA, Republic, and Virgin America.

It's clear that you are being mislead and information is being controlled by just a few "experts" (tounge in cheek).

Seek the truth, and you shall be set free!

 

[Nevets]

ASA MEC tells management, literally at the negotiating table, that they are willing to hold the merger up indefinitely for flight line pref bid. Management then walks out and asserts their right under the XJT CBA to invoke section 26. ONLY MANAGEMENT CAN DO THIS! THE XJT MEC CANNOT KEEP MANAGEMENT FROM EXERCISING THEIR CONTRACTUAL RIGHTS! This has NOTHING to do with LXJT. This was the DIRECT result of the ASA MECs action! And now we are all going to pay for it, although I would guess it will be worse for the LASA side.

Wake up people and think logically.

 

[Flyer1015]

What's invoking section 26 mean?



And who do ASA pilots worship flightline PBS so much?

 

[Freebrd]

only if y'all cave and underbid LASA rates , will we be worse for it

 

[Jetpig]

or an arbitrated rate that is lower.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Looks like the L-XJT MEC has drawn their line in the sand.

 

[Nevets]

Looks like the L-XJT MEC has drawn their line in the sand.

What is it you guys don't get that the XJT MEC CANNOT prevent the company from doing this. But the ASA MEC can prevent this if only they withdrew the ultimatum that caused management to take this path.

 

[Freebrd]

Just don't cave, you might get bigger RJs but keep the rate the same, or God forbid, higher than ASA's

 

[Nevets]

Just don't cave, you might get bigger RJs but keep the rate the same, or God forbid, higher than ASA's

Unfortunately, an arbitrator can decide the rates.

 

[Freebrd]

true but if you don't cave then we can blame the arbitrator instead, fun times huh, but hey, TFATYD!

 

[rjacobs]

I dont see us caving to low rates since, according to several LASA guys we are way to militant and we need to learn to play ball.

We have a rate for smaller airplanes, 37 seaters. If we take the difference from that(12 less seats than a 50 seater) and add it to our 50 seat rate we get a 62 seat rate(60-66 seats). Add that again and we get a 74 seat rate(in my mind up to a 76 seat A/C). That would be my starting point as a place to work from. That puts us basically equal to the SKW -700 rate and a few bucks over the SKW -900 rate(looking at the 10 year CA rate to compare).

What is the ASA -700 rate? What about the -900 rate? Both at 10 years... APC doesnt have the pay scales posted.

 

[jetstream]

May I refer you to the "Enough!" thread under this section?

 

[SiuDude]

I dont see us caving to low rates since, according to several LASA guys we are way to militant and we need to learn to play ball.

We have a rate for smaller airplanes, 37 seaters. If we take the difference from that(12 less seats than a 50 seater) and add it to our 50 seat rate we get a 62 seat rate(60-66 seats). Add that again and we get a 74 seat rate(in my mind up to a 76 seat A/C). That would be my starting point as a place to work from. That puts us basically equal to the SKW -700 rate and a few bucks over the SKW -900 rate(looking at the 10 year CA rate to compare).

What is the ASA -700 rate? What about the -900 rate? Both at 10 years... APC doesnt have the pay scales posted.

We only have 2 pay scales: up to 59 seats and 60-76 seats.
The 60-76 seat 10-year rate is $84.74.

 

[Abernathy]

Maybe they know something you don't from 2 years of bidding with it?

Globalization sucks! Ask any Continental pilot. It makes no difference what brand--Ames, AOS, SmartPref, or ADOPT.

The Delta pilots figured that out when they chose Navtec, the only seniority based system at the time, over the previous mentioned systems. Yes, SmartPref was available then and it was tested (to the extent that a non-operating system can be). It was rejected because it did not honor seniority and awards could not be explained. That's a good enough testimony for me. By the way, they were in bankruptcy.

Maybe line pilots should do some homework and make some phone calls to any buddies you have at Delta, ASA, Republic, and Virgin America.

It's clear that you are being mislead and information is being controlled by just a few "experts" (tounge in cheek).

Seek the truth, and you shall be set free!

Not everyone at ASA is thrilled with our version of PBS. I prefer it to our line bidding system, but I fly with enough guys who are confused at what they were awarded. If this many guys are still perplexed at how to bid, then maybe our system is too complex. It says something that 2 years later we still need PBS trainers.

I do OK with the system and can't complain too much about it, but I also get outsmarted by it from time to time, and I wind up with something hairy. I'm not enough of a "computer guy" I guess. There is VERY little room for error. The smallest misstep and you wind up with some nasty stuff. I have nothing to compare it to, so that's all I can comment on. Maybe that's the case with all PBS systems.

If we lose vacation low (which we ARE losing by the way), then I'd have no objection to entertaining an alternative PBS system. But I'd have to see it first.

 

[anon]

Personally, I would be open to looking at a new system. I think I would prefer a system where I could see the results of my bid in real time.

 

[79%N1]

So, is Smartpref going to have vacation low???? I would think if flica won't, neither will smartpref. So why switch over that???