United Hiring Questions

[CAL EWR B737]

That's interesting, both MC's told us the break down wasn't going to be available. FWIW, you might as well own pay banding also, after pounding your fist on the table threatening to drag out negotiations for 5 years if S-UAL didn't agree to it. At least you brought up the pay for 16 airframes (767-400) at the detriment of 133 airframes (757-200). If that's representing YOUR pilots I'm sure the EWR 757 pilots appreciate your effort. Or.........just another piece of the SLI argument?

Oh you mean to the detriment of the 97 LUAL 757's that are going to be parked as fast as possible and replaced with 737-900's?

 

[eaglesview]

We might as well get over the L-UAL this and the L CAL that. It's over, both of those carriers are gone.
Jayson, Thanks for your work. I have thanked my own Councel 12 reps and I thank you. This TA had to get done so we can all move forward. The SLI is next. Everyone at both airlines excpects that to go to arbitration so that will be out of our hands. Wether you voted yes or you voted no, time to press on.

 

[eaglesview]

Oh you mean to the detriment of the 97 LUAL 757's that are going to be parked as fast as possible and replaced with 737-900's?

You do have to admit sitting in the back of the 737 on a transcon is awful. We could have done much better for our passengers. The extra width of the A 320 family fusalage makes all the difference in the world for comfort.

As for the pilot comfort in the front......no contest.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

We might as well get over the L-UAL this and the L CAL that. It's over, both of those carriers are gone.
Jayson, Thanks for your work. I have thanked my own Councel 12 reps and I thank you. This TA had to get done so we can all move forward. The SLI is next. Everyone at both airlines excpects that to go to arbitration so that will be out of our hands. Wether you voted yes or you voted no, time to press on.

Excellent post, and I couldn't agree more. Time to move forward as one unified group. Leave the SLI to both merger committees.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

You do have to admit sitting in the back of the 737 on a transcon is awful. We could have done much better for our passengers. The extra width of the A 320 family fusalage makes all the difference in the world for comfort.

As for the pilot comfort in the front......no contest.

I agree 100%. Unfortunately that is what our management is doing. Thus not wasting negotiating capital pushing up a rate for a 757 that's leaving and being replaced by a 737-900 when the money could be better spent elsewhere in the JCBA.

PS I've been a 756 CA for five years. 757/767 is a thousand times better then a 737. It stinks they are going away. I also believe a A320 is far more comfortable then a 737.

 

[chppr5]

Oh you mean to the detriment of the 97 LUAL 757's that are going to be parked as fast as possible and replaced with 737-900's?

Ok, there is some truth to that. Let's break it down.

- 8 757"s to be parked the first half of 2013
- 2 a month starting end of Aug 2013, 15 PS 757 s-UAL will be kept.
- end of 2013 Total 757 count 112 (79 UAL and 33 CAL)
- end of 2014 Total 757 count 88 (55 UAL and 33 CAL)
- end of 2015 Total 757 count 64 (31 UAL and 33 CAL)
- end of 2016 (contract end date) Total 48 (15 UAL and 33 CAL).
All numbers are from latest fleet plan as of latest 75/76 LCA meeting.
I stand corrected, raise the rates of 16 767-400 to the detriment of 48 757's at the END of the contract cycle.

 

[Continental]

Jayson thanks for my 903.60 pay raise per month after 4 years. That was the difference between 11/12 and 12/12 72 MPG. Wow you did a great job getting those 4 cornerstones. Can't wait for the rest of it 3,6, or 9 months later, if ever.

Yes it was the 757-200

 

[Mad Dog 80]

Posts like this from 4th graders should be posted in the McDonalds Playground forum.

Guide the way, I didn't even know we had a McDonalds Playground forum. Apparently you do.

 

[ATRCA]

We might as well get over the L-UAL this and the L CAL that. It's over, both of those carriers are gone.
Jayson, Thanks for your work. I have thanked my own Councel 12 reps and I thank you. This TA had to get done so we can all move forward. The SLI is next. Everyone at both airlines excpects that to go to arbitration so that will be out of our hands. Wether you voted yes or you voted no, time to press on.

L-UAL and L-CAL will be around for the next 40 years just like PE, NY Air, Scab, FMR, Express, 570, and any other way you wanna slice up the pilot group. We haven't even completed the SLI. Our definitions will continue for a very long time. You can add yes/no voter to that list also.

 

[Dewey Oxberger]

Chppr5, not sure where you got your numbers but CAL has 62 757s, 41-200s and 21-300s. So if 15 of UAL's are kept there will be 77 left when it's all said and done.

 

[chppr5]

Chppr5, not sure where you got your numbers but CAL has 62 757s, 41-200s and 21-300s. So if 15 of UAL's are kept there will be 77 left when it's all said and done.

The 757-3 are a different pay band, but I got the 757-2 count (33) from a communication of the merger announcement. So that affects even more 757 pilots.

 

[eaglesview]

L-UAL and L-CAL will be around for the next 40 years just like PE, NY Air, Scab, FMR, Express, 570, and any other way you wanna slice up the pilot group. We haven't even completed the SLI. Our definitions will continue for a very long time. You can add yes/no voter to that list also.

If you want them to I guess they will be in your mind. The yes/no vote list is funny. can't wait to hear how you get that one. There is only one list I will carry after the SLI when we can no longer tell eachother apart by sight, that will be the "loyal company employee" list.

 

[Andy]

Jayson, I've never hid my name. Lear70 and many others here know exactly who I am.
How's this? I'll be more than happy to introduce myself to you when we're paired together so that you can give me the scab treatment. I'm looking forward to it since I've read quite a bit of your stuff and have come to the conclusion that you have a lot to say but are short on actions - not listening to you would significantly reduce the volume of hot air in the cockpit. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of LUAL furloughees flying at LCAL introduce themselves to you as 'Andy'.

As for LOA 25, let's thread hijack for a moment. Who benefits, who's harmed, and who had the responsibility to represent those harmed by LOA 25? It benefits LCAL for SLI, and harms LUAL furloughees. Who represented LUAL furloughees? Those on LCAL property were represented by CALALPA. Poorly.
How did LOA 25 get there? Every CALALPA rep claims 'I don't know; it was just put in at the last minute'. Every UALALPA contact that I've spoken to point the finger at pierceofshii and his cronies and are well aware of how it got there - a threat to scuttle the entire TA at the last minute unless LOA 25 was added. Someone's not telling the truth and my money's on the ones who benefit from LOA 25, yet claim they have no idea how it got there.
At EWR, LUAL furloughees represent what percentage of your pilots? 15%? Higher? We represent 10% of the entire LCAL seniority list and most of us have gone to EWR and IAH. You allowed this LOA into the TA that punished a large bloc of your membership that you are supposed to represent. LOA 25 should have never seen the light of day. Thanks for taking our ALPA dues and NOT representing us, Jayson.

 

[ATRCA]

If you want them to I guess they will be in your mind. The yes/no vote list is funny. can't wait to hear how you get that one. There is only one list I will carry after the SLI when we can no longer tell eachother apart by sight, that will be the "loyal company employee" list.

Whatever makes you happy man.

 

[eaglesview]

Whatever makes you happy man.

That makes me happy and there should be only one reason you would object.

 

[FlyForFood_NOT]

We might as well get over the L-UAL this and the L CAL that. It's over, both of those carriers are gone.
Jayson, Thanks for your work... Wether you voted yes or you voted no, time to press on.

Fair enough.. except for one thing:
I refuse to be told by any union reps/MECs what a "good job they did representing the CAL pilots." I refuse to be told this by Jason Byron himself because frankly.. it sounds pathetic.

Moving on..

 

[ATRCA]

That makes me happy and there should be only one reason you would object.

I have no idea what that means, but frankly, you can add me to whatever list you want. None if them will mean a thing. I'm gonna pimp this contract for every penny by whatever means. I'll leave the rah rah team stuff and pilot unity speak for the rest of you. I've got no problem with every man for himself. You should the same. Anything else is wasted time.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Jayson, I've never hid my name. Lear70 and many others here know exactly who I am.
How's this? I'll be more than happy to introduce myself to you when we're paired together so that you can give me the scab treatment. I'm looking forward to it since I've read quite a bit of your stuff and have come to the conclusion that you have a lot to say but are short on actions - not listening to you would significantly reduce the volume of hot air in the cockpit. Of course I wouldn't be surprised if a ton of LUAL furloughees flying at LCAL introduce themselves to you as 'Andy'.

As for LOA 25, let's thread hijack for a moment. Who benefits, who's harmed, and who had the responsibility to represent those harmed by LOA 25? It benefits LCAL for SLI, and harms LUAL furloughees. Who represented LUAL furloughees? Those on LCAL property were represented by CALALPA. Poorly.
How did LOA 25 get there? Every CALALPA rep claims 'I don't know; it was just put in at the last minute'. Every UALALPA contact that I've spoken to point the finger at pierceofshii and his cronies and are well aware of how it got there - a threat to scuttle the entire TA at the last minute unless LOA 25 was added. Someone's not telling the truth and my money's on the ones who benefit from LOA 25, yet claim they have no idea how it got there.
At EWR, LUAL furloughees represent what percentage of your pilots? 15%? Higher? We represent 10% of the entire LCAL seniority list and most of us have gone to EWR and IAH. You allowed this LOA into the TA that punished a large bloc of your membership that you are supposed to represent. LOA 25 should have never seen the light of day. Thanks for taking our ALPA dues and NOT representing us, Jayson.

Was the UAL NC even available for this contract? You make this seem like CAL's NC stood up, laid out the plans for how the contract was to go, and no one else in the room said anything. I find it impossible to believe that the UAL MEC and NC just stood by or were bullied into any of this. Problem is the writing is on the wall, AGAIN, but this time instead of looking inward at the culprit, the finger gets to point out a new scapegoat. Keep saying the same rhetoric over and over again and you might just get some more posters and lurkers to believe the load your are trying to sell here.

 

[Flyer1015]

What is LOA 25?

 

[densoo]

What is LOA 25?

It makes some adjustments to longevity for those who are on furlough.