LCC/AMR Merger offer

[Tweaker]

This is going to be the mother of all messy mergers, these companies don't complement each other nearly as well as DAL/NWA, UAL/CAL, SW/AT or even a USAir/AMWest. Seems like a lot of major hubs east of the Mississippi and a lot of N-S East coast flying. Add in the fleet issues and the guaranteed ugly, nasty, poisonous labor confrontations to come and this may be a bad idea. I sure wouldn't want to be the one to have to cobble these two (actually three) operations together.

You speak as if you were not from 'Merika. A great majority of the population lives where you described, and damn if they don't like to visit/trade with each other a whole lot.

Your analysis is fail.

 

[Tweaker]

And is, perhaps, the sharpest paint job in existence, while simultaneously saving weight and cost.

Maybe I'm just nostalgic, but polished aluminum airplanes have always looked sharp.

/threadcreep

AGREE x 3, Lear!

 

[Tweaker]

True, I just wonder about hubs in PHL, CLT and MIA. Remember that USAirways route system was concentrated doing East coast N-S flying for many years and they didn't do well for much of that time. It's so saturated that if these carriers combine they will probably cut capacity back to reduce overlap and increase profit margin. We will see about the SLI issues, maybe I'm wrong but I think it will be very difficult, the list at LCC hasn't been resolved yet. USA East and American are two of the most militant pilot groups on the planet and they have two different unions.

CLT is the 2nd most profitable hub on a % basis in 'Merika if DoUgIe presented honest data. Not going anywhere.

PHL has a whole mess of profitable originating traffic. Win

MIA, not massively familiar with that hub or operation, but South American traffic is going UP UP UP for the foreseeable future.

 

[LearLove]

And is, perhaps, the sharpest paint job in existence, while simultaneously saving weight and cost.

Maybe I'm just nostalgic, but polished aluminum airplanes have always looked sharp.

/threadcreep

2 things I like about the potential merger:

1. AA's paint job (or lack there of). Polished AL looks great. If I ever get enough cash to build an RV-8 it will be polished.

2. not having to say "cactus". although I'll have to learn to say "do you want fries with that" after us seniority bottom feeders are furloughed when all the narrow bodies are outsourced to republic.

 

[dollacrackho]

I just stepped in some republic outside . Damn dogs republicing everywhere. I'll be scraping this republic off my shoe for the next hour.

 

[Flyby1206]

2 things I like about the potential merger:

1. AA's paint job (or lack there of). Polished AL looks great. If I ever get enough cash to build an RV-8 it will be polished.

2. not having to say "cactus". although I'll have to learn to say "do you want fries with that" after us seniority bottom feeders are furloughed when all the narrow bodies are outsourced to republic.

I think the polished look is gone. The planes will be painted now.

This is a pic of the 77W delivered to AA a few days ago:
http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/AA1.jpg

They are rolling out the new paint job soon

 

[Big Slick]

The 787 is composite and, therefore, the shiny aluminum paint job won't work. Plus, it seems that every airline shows off a new livery post bankruptcy.

 

[Flybywire44]

I think the polished look is gone. The planes will be painted now.

This is a pic of the 77W delivered to AA a few days ago:
http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/AA1.jpg

They are rolling out the new paint job soon

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2012/12/american-airlines-takes-delivery-of-first-777-300er/

 

[fam62c]

You speak as if you were not from 'Merika. A great majority of the population lives where you described, and damn if they don't like to visit/trade with each other a whole lot.

Your analysis is fail.

I forgot about that, you are right. USAirways has had tremendous success with the N-S East coast route system over the years, the results speak for themselves. If this merger happens American's route system will be the foundation, I could be wrong but I am going to say that CLT will become more like a PIT, CVG or STL. There's a difference between a good market and a good hub. CLT is a hub because all the better hubs were taken. We can agree to disagree and we will probably get to see what happens soon enough because it looks like this is going to happen. It's going to be very messy. Peace.

 

[5w5flyer]

2 things I like about the potential merger:

1. AA's paint job (or lack there of). Polished AL looks great. If I ever get enough cash to build an RV-8 it will be polished.

2. not having to say "cactus". although I'll have to learn to say "do you want fries with that" after us seniority bottom feeders are furloughed when all the narrow bodies are outsourced to republic.

For me the 2 things I like about the potential merger are

1. Getting a raise

2. Burning the stupidest looking pilot uniform ever created

 

[Data]

For me the 2 things I like about the potential merger are

2. Burning the stupidest looking pilot uniform ever created

Delta guys are going to burn their uniforms????

 

[The Drizzle]

after us seniority bottom feeders are furloughed when all the narrow bodies are outsourced to republic.

Then we can apply at republic to fly our old routes! No need for burger flipping!

 

[Turtle21]

I forgot about that, you are right. USAirways has had tremendous success with the N-S East coast route system over the years, the results speak for themselves. If this merger happens American's route system will be the foundation, I could be wrong but I am going to say that CLT will become more like a PIT, CVG or STL. There's a difference between a good market and a good hub. CLT is a hub because all the better hubs were taken. We can agree to disagree and we will probably get to see what happens soon enough because it looks like this is going to happen. It's going to be very messy. Peace.

CLT is the 7th busiest airport in the world for take offs and landings (and that was back in 2011). Yes its a good hub. Not sure which AA hub in the East is already better. YMMV.

 

[Flyby1206]

CLT is the 7th busiest airport in the world for take offs and landings (and that was back in 2011). Yes its a good hub. Not sure which AA hub in the East is already better. YMMV.

Traffic doesnt always equate to sustainability. LAS is busier than JFK in terms of movements, but hardly a key hub city. LAS is also busier than PHL, DTW, PHX, EWR.

 

[LearLove]

Then we can apply at republic to fly our old routes!

Some of us already have that t-shirt.

Ding - J4J round 2, THE RETURN OF THE DISGRUNTLED FURLOUGHED GUY

Now you can be FO to a guy who was taught how to fly by a guy who was taught by another guy you taught how to fly 20 years ago.