Lasa prelim award!

[bigshooter107]

Is not out yet.....

 

[say again]

Thanks

 

[jstyle13]

Any attempt to put out a prelim is gonna be a mess with this last vacancy bid. They have a hard enough time doing one when its just a few new spots in one base, much less an award with upgrades plus a displacment and a new base opening up. Don't hold your breath...

 

[Flyguy1226]

Preliminary bids are absolutely worthless! They are outdated by the time they are published or the person who does them completely screws them up.

You think with SkyWest IT at our disposal, we would have some sort of live standing bid application. My last airline who was old-school, stone age technology even had a live standing bid.

 

[SoberIrishman]

That's strange. I look at the standing bid quite often on Xjet.com. What are you talking about?

 

[Clutch]

That's strange. I look at the standing bid quite often on Xjet.com. What are you talking about?

How does the standing bid list help when everyone has 4 or 5 different bids and you have no idea what their priority is...?

 

[Cpt Oveur]

How does the standing bid list help when everyone has 4 or 5 different bids and you have no idea what their priority is...?

It doesn't.

 

[centralpilot]

That's strange. I look at the standing bid quite often on Xjet.com. What are you talking about?

The standing bid lists are not very helpful. If a pilot has a bid in for multiple positions (e.g. CR7 CA DTW, CRJ CA IAD, & CRJ CA DFW) they will appear in each of those lists with no indication of which is the #1 choice. There are so many options now that it is next to impossible to forecast how the award will shake out based.

 

[777forever]

The preferred base column helps. I find the standing base relatively easy to decipher. Preferred base shows you their number one position choice in every base except ATL. In ATL it's safe to assume they will prefer the 700 over the 200


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[Flyguy1226]

There used to be a way to see each pilots base preferrence number but I'm getting an error now, at least on the ipad. The way it works (worked)...

If you want to see each pilots choice, click on Print on the upper right corner and it will open another page and list the pilots number of choice for that base.

 

[Jackie Moon]

The preferred base column helps. I find the standing base relatively easy to decipher. Preferred base shows you their number one position choice in every base except ATL. In ATL it's safe to assume they will prefer the 700 over the 200


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I don't see how this helps. What if they can't hold their first or second base choice? Also I don't think it's safe to assume everyone in Atlanta wants the 700. I was based there for years and never flew the 700 as fo or capt. 90% of the fo's I flew with didn't want to fly the 700 because they held better lines on the 200. They only guys I knew who were really excited about the 700 were new fo's but I've been gone for a while so maybe things have changed.

 

[centralpilot]

The preferred base column helps. I find the standing base relatively easy to decipher. Preferred base shows you their number one position choice in every base except ATL. In ATL it's safe to assume they will prefer the 700 over the 200


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Okay, but that requires you to sift through the "all" list for CR7 and CRJ and you still don't know how CRJ CA IAD is ranked compared to CR7 CA ATL, for example. You can make educated guesses but it still takes way to much time to try to map it all out. If SkyWest IT were instructed to they could make the standing bid lists much more useful.

 

[centralpilot]

I don't see how this helps. What if they can't hold their first or second base choice? Also I don't think it's safe to assume everyone in Atlanta wants the 700. I was based there for years and never flew the 700 as fo or capt. 90% of the fo's I flew with didn't want to fly the 700 because they held better lines on the 200. They only guys I knew who were really excited about the 700 were new fo's but I've been gone for a while so maybe things have changed.

The 200 schedules got bad enough last year to convince some of us to bid over to the 700. It is also nice to have one more pay longevity step as we reach year 8. Still you are correct; many stay on the 200 for higher relative seniority.

 

[ASAFOE120]

Its out!

 

[79%N1]

Yea, it's not.

 

[ASAFOE120]

Out on my computer.

 

[79%N1]

I see it on mine now too.

 

[777forever]

Ok that took quite some counting to figure out what number I am going to be on the plane. Guess they want to prevent the bids from being an eBay auction


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[Medeco]

Dont give them that much credit, they cant build a spreadsheet with numbers.

 

[surreal1221]

Certainly came as a shocker to me, that in 2012, our company (re: manpower person) runs our bids - BY HAND.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Certainly came as a shocker to me, that in 2012, our company (re: manpower person) runs our bids - BY HAND.

Job security??? As far as I know, payroll is still being done by hand. They transfer it BY HAND to an excel spreadsheet to send to the payroll company.


Remember....it doesn't matter how we got here. As long as we use archaic methods.

How bad do you think this award will get screwed up? I bet it takes 5 tries to get it right.

 

[centralpilot]

Job security??? As far as I know, payroll is still being done by hand. They transfer it BY HAND to an excel spreadsheet to send to the payroll company.

I've seen them hold a yard stick up to a spreadsheet tacked on a cubicle wall to try to check a pay error. Apparently they read the wrong line when they were determining what was to be paid. This was several years ago, but I wouldn't be surprised if their methods are still that antiquated.

 

[surreal1221]

hah...well...I think payroll has moved into the 2012 year. They were very quick in fixing a $1300+ error. Quick as in three hours I had the correct check in my hand. Then again, maybe it was because I did all the math for them.

SH (Not Scott Hall...) has her hands full with the manpower side of things. I don't blame her, I blame the Company for not using technology to their benefit and requiring their people to do this stuff by hand. One pilot at a time.

We (the much hated ALPA) are working on some scripting to run this stuff and verify what the company comes to is correct. A few months away, but we want to use the scripting to verify past awards before using it to confirm the Company's awards.

SkyWest IT also has something that runs these awards, but of course the Company is staying away from it for whatever reason. Job security for SH can be protected, she does a great job with the resources she has - but she wont be going anywhere if she has a software suite to use to run this stuff.

 

[twott driver]

Well the prelim came out with serious errors, was deleted, and then re-sent. Nothing unusual there, and sure to be repeated numerous times before and after the final comes out.

 

[asayankee]

Well the prelim came out with serious errors, was deleted, and then re-sent. Nothing unusual there, and sure to be repeated numerous times before and after the final comes out.

Soooo....what the heck happened the prelims? Aren't they supposed to come out daily? How are we supposed to make any decisions based on 1 prelim that's a week+ old???

 

[777forever]

Soooo....what the heck happened the prelims? Aren't they supposed to come out daily? How are we supposed to make any decisions based on 1 prelim that's a week+ old???

Why the need for more prelims? People keep switching their bid all around the place so it's pretty useless if you are trying to be precise with your position.

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[Clutch]

Why the need for more prelims? People keep switching their bid all around the place so it's pretty useless if you are trying to be precise with your position.

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Quit whining. You see all those LOA's? You can never know your precise position.

 

[twott driver]

62 capts in DFW and 39 FO's? WTF...... once again it's been screwed up, will be deleted, and will be re-issued with more errors. Turning into a bit of a joke. Just close the bid and make the award already.

 

[COOPERVANE]

62 capts in DFW and 39 FO's? WTF...... once again it's been screwed up, will be deleted, and will be re-issued with more errors. Turning into a bit of a joke. Just close the bid and make the award already.

Since I've been here, one has seemingly NEVER been done correctly..

It SHOULD be an electronic process taking 3 seconds, but it is a ridiculous laborious process filled with obvious errors a hotel night auditor would catch. Maybe a hotel janitor would catch some..

 

[centralpilot]

62 capts in DFW and 39 FO's? WTF...... once again it's been screwed up, will be deleted, and will be re-issued with more errors. Turning into a bit of a joke. Just close the bid and make the award already.

I'd imagine the rest of the DFW FO positions will be filled by new hires from upcoming classes; the FO side is looking awfully junior.