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Courtesy commentary for Lakes and Express Jet crew-members

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BrickTop

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I will preface this comment with the recognition of both airlines house some very competent and capable crews however many of your crew members' behavior is earning you a negative reputation among the industry. Obviously every airline has a select group of unprofessional or undeserving employees but there are two who have notable reputations that are damaging you level of respect among the industry and earning you negative reputations. Ask yourselves, "Do Delta/United/Continental/Southwest crew members conduct themselves in this manner?"

Great Lakes:
The overwhelming presence of you radio signature "CYAAAAA" is adolescent and mocked as unprofessional and more so, annoying. It is very discouraging and you are silently being criticized by other airline crew members and Air traffic controllers as children. Politely suggest you make a move to discontinue the trend.

Express Jet: Sadly I encounter numerous pilots in your domiciles that simply have not adopted a polite or professional attitude. A recent discussion was done on an undisclosed in-house website regarding airlines and their "arrogance" or "disconcerting levels cockiness" or unprofessional behavior, and Express Jet was named to have the highest level of "cocky and fraternity like" attitudes. Please pass word that the young "Jet pilot jerk" attitude is more prevalent in your operations than any other and it would be beneficial to initiate movements to adopt a more mature and respectful group ethic.

Examples are; Eating in front of customers, wearing sunglasses inside terminals, baggy or un-tucked uniforms, un-ironed shirts, dirty pants and stained yellow shirts, lack of verbal or communicative respect for gate agents/passengers/or ground workers, wearing headphones while walking in uniform, not introducing yourselves to an offline carrier crews on jump-seat or non-revenue flights. Not communicating professionally and respectfully during radio operations i.e. (Interrupting/yelling/insulting ramp coordinators or other crews) Please practice proper radio and communication edict.

The examples above are not confined to these two listed airlines but they are arguably most prevalent and reputable at these two airlines and it is in the interest of your profession you consider how your personal behavior contributes to a compounding collective outcome and presentation in your airline's operation among the industry.
 
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ExpressJet has over 4000 pilots, my friend. There's a good chance that you aren't going to like all of them.

Get over it.
 
Must be Skywest


For the record, you guys are notorious throughout the industry for not allowing the hotel vans to wait on other crews.

That's pretty low.
 
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Irrelevant??? How? If I were going to call out another pilot group then I would be ready to name my own pilot group for comparison!
 
Irrelevant??? How? If I were going to call out another pilot group then I would be ready to name my own pilot group for comparison!

Because this is not a competitive or combative "my airline is better than yours" commentary. It is commentary that says please act professional.
 
Because this is not a competitive or combative "my airline is better than yours" commentary. It is commentary that says please act professional.

With all due respect, what business is it of yours to call anyone out? Especially on an "anonymous" forum? I don't have a dog in this fight, but come on. You're just a pilot like everyone else. So either you're really this stupid, or you're trolling.
 
Politeness is for powdered wig prissy pansies, parading pompous perms and pretentious pseudo-pilot presentations. The guys that you perceive as impolite or gruff merely have an adequate and healthy pair of testicles that produce normal levels of testosterone. Fraternities are mostly gay; many of the pilots that you describe are most likely more independently minded individuals. Do not let their existence unsettle you. Certainly, rudeness is often uncalled for, however, an aloof and indifferent demeanor is every man's right...
 
Original Poster,
I believe that it is simply a pilot thing. When I see a new guy use slang on the radio or not look professional, I personally blame the leaders who have failed to teach the new guy the standard.

If you go to a fire house or police dept, you will find the new guys learn from the senior guys and expectations are raised. We don't have these leaders. Maybe alpa should make it part of their platform, or maybe more captains should try and change things like you are attempting to do.

However, placing this demand on the senior/major pilots is difficult because there are so many who are essentially worthless to the profession.

You have a high percentage of former/current military guys who's gloating attitude is a far worse personality trait than a young guy's lack of professionalism. Somehow, even DAL atlanta seems to have this character flaw permeate their culture. I would much rather pass a young guy who doesn't have it all together than some moron who thinks he is God's gift to aviation.

My personal recommendation? ALPA needs a guy named Robert Connelly (Legacy ASA chief pilot) to push MEC's to adopt a uniform standard and to actually force pilots to comply.
 
Could part of the problem be that for many of them this is their first job and they have yet to learn the things those of us who were raised in another era learned from working jobs while we grew up?
 
Or could the problem be the guys are actually enjoying what they are doing despite pay and work rules. I think it's much more professional to hear a guy say cya on a radio frequency that is used by pilots and controllers as opposed to hearing guys complaining about everything under the sun and how much better it used be in full earshot of passengers.

For all the Lakers past, present and future...

CYAAAAAAA
 
Maybe I'm part of the problem you perceive, but I just don't really care what you think of me.;)
 
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... not introducing yourselves to an offline carrier crews on jump-seat or non-revenue flights...

If every non-rev stopped by the cockpit for a chat, the plane would never leave on time. Jumpseaters, sure. Non-revs? Get over yourselves. The FAs know where the uniformed ones are if needed.
 
Non-rev isn't required to stop by the cockpit. Never seen a DAL pilot or FA stop by the cockpit. You either see em boarding or deplaning. If one stopped by the cockpit most of those mainline crews would be annoyed that you did so, except GL who would love to impart his wisdom on us lowly regional folks. JS an entirely different animal. Lighten up Brick! Suggest a dose of Exlac or something similar to loosen you up! :)
 
Ladies, gentlemen; I am not a a witch hunt or a journey to improve my sense of self worth or prize my airline as a place of superior professionalism or elitist membership. I am humbly passing word that these two operations have epic proportions of attitude problems that have earned them reputations among the industry.

As a tolerant person I take pride in my profession. I rarely if ever am one to point a finger or shake a stick at a person who is suffering from self identifying or finding contentment in their life. But when their attitude injects itself into the workplace and results in the contamination of the operation by disrespect of their co-workers/industry counterparts, enough is enough. Grow up.

Most of us have been in this industry now long enough to weather the "new hire arrogance." It is time to grow up. More important act like aviation professionals. Courtesy and professionalism yields an amazing amount of respect and productivity and apparently it was lost in training or youth someone along their career. If they or you are content with maintaining their reputations of being jerks, punks and children then so be it. They've earned it. Good luck employing the attitude in your career and see what reward and respect from their counterparts it brings. But don't expect others to tolerate it.
 
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Half the pilots over 60 look like the dirt bag of a 1957 Hoover Wide clean. Especially UAL. Those men let themselves self-destruct. I doubt their medical will last much past 65. And if it does a few will challenge that in a parking lot of fed up 30 something stagnated pilots looking to deliver a fist full of greed discipline. GET OUT.

RELAX. Don't be an A$$HOLE. No one is impressed by your smart mouth comments.

I SAID IT FOR YEARS. Plastics/Composites have NO PLACE in modern airliners especially in critical structures. Sadly someone will have to be killed before action is taken. IDIOTS.

You know one of my pet peeves? People who have a negative comment about everything, and who generally know nothing.
 
hahahahahaha

P O W !

RIGHT IN THE KISSER.....

You deserve that more than gl does. Now go fly your little rj and act like a mainline pilot. d!ck
 

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