Delta TA impact on Delta Connection...

[amcnd]

Looks like regardless if it passes or not i think Delta wants out of 150+ 50 seaters... Not good..if it does pass, A few lucky lowball bids will get 76 seat growth... Good luck to all..

 

[777forever]

Looks like regardless if it passes or not i think Delta wants out of 150+ 50 seaters... Not good..if it does pass, A few lucky lowball bids will get 76 seat growth... Good luck to all..

What 76 seat bids? No additional 76 seat RJs UNLESS Delta purchases small narrowbody aircraft flown by Delta pilots(Read E190/CSeries)

 

[bigshooter107]

I would think the only control delta has over 50 seaters is at pinnacle and comair. Most everything else would be locked down by long term contracts. Tough to imagine delta did not negotiate a swap 1-1 900 for 200.... I was thinking that's what Skywest was going to use the billion dollar loan for.

 

[Ridgeback]

I would think the only control delta has over 50 seaters is at pinnacle and comair. Most everything else would be locked down by long term contracts. Tough to imagine delta did not negotiate a swap 1-1 900 for 200.... I was thinking that's what Skywest was going to use the billion dollar loan for.

That is EXACTLY why Comair or Pinnacle will get any new growth of 900's. Delta owns those aircraft and if Bomardiar gives them some kind of trade deal they get rid of a bunch of 50 seaters. Then when the sky west contracts run out Delta does not renew the contract and Skywest is left holding the bag on a bunch of 50 seaters nobody wants

 

[79%N1]

Two things. The above post is pretty much dead on. Skywest will be forced to go on their own if they are to survive much past 2015.

Second. If you are below 50% at most DCI carriers, you will probably be on the street. If you are 25-50% you will most likely be an FO.

The guys on the ASA side better hope for a good SLI # to maybe have a job on the United side.

 

[bigshooter107]

But Skywest can afford to finance any new 900 airframes. The other co
Companies cannot. Delta I imagine is going to be purchasing c series airbus or e190s for mainline...

 

[777forever]

That is EXACTLY why Comair or Pinnacle will get any new growth of 900's. Delta owns those aircraft and if Bomardiar gives them some kind of trade deal they get rid of a bunch of 50 seaters. Then when the sky west contracts run out Delta does not renew the contract and Skywest is left holding the bag on a bunch of 50 seaters nobody wants

Skywest Inc has minimal "tail risk", contracts expire when leases expire for majority of its aircraft

Can't say the same for pilot jobs though.

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[777forever]

Two things. The above post is pretty much dead on. Skywest will be forced to go on their own if they are to survive much past 2015.

Second. If you are below 50% at most DCI carriers, you will probably be on the street. If you are 25-50% you will most likely be an FO.

The guys on the ASA side better hope for a good SLI # to maybe have a job on the United side.

I disagree. If there is any growth of the 900/E175 flying in DCI it has to be because Delta added a significant amount of small narrowbody flying, which means significant movement up to mainline.

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[Sherpa]

I'd bet the 717's will be a much better deal than a C-series and more mainline jobs means less people on the street but the sky is falling somewhere at all times.

 

[General Lee]

I'd bet the 717's will be a much better deal than a C-series and more mainline jobs means less people on the street but the sky is falling somewhere at all times.

The C-Series is very expensive, and the recent MD90s Delta acquired were about $8 million each, including the engines. The 717s would be at a huge discount too. I also heard Airbus offered Delta a bunch of A319s from an Indian carrier in BK, at even lower rates than the 717s. But, this all could be a carrot. It has to be on the ramp before I would believe a lot of that stuff. Yet, it is fun to speculate. As far as hiring would go, if these planes ever do materialize, then I would think Delta would hire a lot. I thought Delta was also getting 20 something MD90s this year too. I would also like to see a widebody order someday, and not just narrowbodies. It all sounds great, until you look again at the payrates and the 1/3 cut in profit sharing. Why is that again? Ugggh.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[777forever]

The C-Series is very expensive, and the recent MD90s Delta acquired were about $8 million each, including the engines. The 717s would be at a huge discount too. I also heard Airbus offered Delta a bunch of A319s from an Indian carrier in BK, at even lower rates than the 717s. But, this all could be a carrot. It has to be on the ramp before I would believe a lot of that stuff. Yet, it is fun to speculate. As far as hiring would go, if these planes ever do materialize, then I would think Delta would hire a lot. I thought Delta was also getting 20 something MD90s this year too. I would also like to see a widebody order someday, and not just narrowbodies. It all sounds great, until you look again at the payrates and the 1/3 cut in profit sharing. Why is that again? Ugggh.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Payrates will be on par with UPS/Fedex/SWA, better DC, plenty of growth, retirements, AND back to the table in 3 years in probably a much better economy. 3 years isn't a long time. Hell General, we've been waiting 5 years for the geezers to retire

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[jetflier]

Payrates will be on par with UPS/Fedex/SWA, better DC, plenty of growth, retirements, AND back to the table in 3 years in probably a much better economy. 3 years isn't a long time. Hell General, we've been waiting 5 years for the geezers to retire

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Let's see, a pay restoration of 4% DOS, 12% Jan 2013". Then 3% and 3%...profit sharing cut from about 5% Gross to 2%... cost of living well over 5%. I see a net increase of pay restoration of about 2%.


I vote NO.

 

[jetflier]

We should also not give up any more flying to DCI carriers. I the company wants the bigger rj then they need to be mainline.

Vote NO

 

[jetflier]

We should also not give up any more flying to DCI carriers. I the company wants the bigger rj then they need to be mainline.

Vote NO

 

[amcnd]

I don't think Delta wants to finance any more RJ's.... So i have heard...

 

[i fly boxes]

Overall the contract is a net reduction of DCI, more mainline flying, pay raises and only a 3 year contract which means that in 3 years you will negotiate again. IF you say no, you will be negotiating for the next 3 years in mediation anyways. I hope people dont get too caught up in the 76 seat thing. It is important i am not denying that but the amount of mainline flying you will get in exchange will outweigh it.

 

[CRJ puppy]

The Delta TA involves a net reduction of approx 200RJs. It states that this is possible by being able to back out if current leases in exchange for new aircraft. I'm certain this is 50 seat CRJs vs ERJs. So the replacement aircraft will be CRJs 900s, not E175s. Now, the next question is who has about 200 50 seater leases. Well, pinnacle has, what, about 140(?) and Comair will have about 16, so the remainder have to come from Skywest/expressjet. We have already seen that skywest is willing to renegotiate 50 seat lift at a 2 for 1 deal for 900's (already was done to get the 900's at "ASA")...and since in chap 11, pinnacle can just blow off leases (essentially)...looks to me that the loss of 50 seat lift will be from Pinnacle, Skywest and ExpressJet...with a net reduction in pilot staffing at these companies.

 

[nimtz]

Overall the contract is a net reduction of DCI, more mainline flying, pay raises and only a 3 year contract which means that in 3 years you will negotiate again. IF you say no, you will be negotiating for the next 3 years in mediation anyways. I hope people dont get too caught up in the 76 seat thing. It is important i am not denying that but the amount of mainline flying you will get in exchange will outweigh it.

We've never heard that one before! This profession is screwed...

 

[Speedtape]

The Delta TA involves a net reduction of approx 200RJs. It states that this is possible by being able to back out if current leases in exchange for new aircraft. I'm certain this is 50 seat CRJs vs ERJs. So the replacement aircraft will be CRJs 900s, not E175s. Now, the next question is who has about 200 50 seater leases. Well, pinnacle has, what, about 140(?) and Comair will have about 16, so the remainder have to come from Skywest/expressjet. We have already seen that skywest is willing to renegotiate 50 seat lift at a 2 for 1 deal for 900's (already was done to get the 900's at "ASA")...and since in chap 11, pinnacle can just blow off leases (essentially)...looks to me that the loss of 50 seat lift will be from Pinnacle, Skywest and ExpressJet...with a net reduction in pilot staffing at these companies.

The CR2's were going away before the TA. It sounds like there is a big SPIN being put on the idea that you were able to use negotiation capital and leverage to simply memorialize something that was going to happen any way! Smoke and Mirrors, mi Main Line Brothers!

 

[altimaklr]

republic also has 22 ERJ145 flying for DL