Here is the DAL MEC Chairman's letter about the TA....

[Linedriver]

I'm asking, as this is my first contract vote, what are the chances we would get a better contract if we vote this one down? I'm leaning on voting 'yes' and immediately filling out my DPA card.

 

[johnsonrod]

Double post.

 

[johnsonrod]

I am sure Delta management is cheering your yes-leaning vote! So are the 62+ year old pilots (many of whom are former NWA pilots with pensions).

Negotiators expect additional offers - they don't expect one side to cave and accept the first an only offer. Just saying....

 

[Heavy Set]

Probably too late in your negotiating process, but I would have started by insisting that Delta 737-800 pilots make the absolute same top pay as Southwest 737 pilots - and then increase it from there for larger aircraft. Southwest 737 pilots have set the high benchmark for wages and Delta needs to match that for the same aircraft type. That would have been a good place to start the negotiation. Southwest did not have a bankruptcy negotiation - but now it is time for Delta pilots to get their payback.

Offering to pay this amount over 3 years is an insult. I agree - vote it down!

 

[StopNTSing]

We should all be supporting each other to get higher rates, not trying to deparage other airlines to make ourselves look better.
We all know how SWA got to were they are and good for you guys that you finally got to the upper end of the industry payscales. How about checking your little "warrior spirit" and supporting others trying to do the same.

Hey Dano, you really need to get some new material. That warrior spirit dig is getting a little long in the tooth....

....and I'm sorry that my message isn't in line with your kum ba yah-esque, rah-rah, everyone's a winner, PC tone. Get over it. Let me spell it out for you: I WANT the Delta pilots to win any dick-measuring contest with SWAPA pilots! Airline mgmts have been using labor to solve their problems for the last decade and it needs to STOP! When there's wobbliness in the face of management it should be called out....including in my own back yard. In the last year we agreed to fly an airplane with 30% more capacity for the SAME rate (WTFO?)! Now we have been presented with a side letter that provides NO override for international ops (Wha-WTFO?)! At least that one appears poised to go down in flames...

Hey, I don't care if it's Delta, Hawaiian, UCAL....or SWA. If a TA is a home-run, I'll be the first to cheer it on....for the benefit of the profession. And when it's a turd (as this one appears at first look), expect to take some heat from your peers. That in itself can be a very potent motivation to vote the right way.

 

[777forever]

Probably too late in your negotiating process, but I would have started by insisting that Delta 737-800 pilots make the absolute same top pay as Southwest 737 pilots - and then increase it from there for larger aircraft. Southwest 737 pilots have set the high benchmark for wages and Delta needs to match that for the same aircraft type. That would have been a good place to start the negotiation. Southwest did not have a bankruptcy negotiation - but now it is time for Delta pilots to get their payback.

Offering to pay this amount over 3 years is an insult. I agree - vote it down!

Payrates aren't the end all of a compensation package. Just factoring in the 15% DC Delta pilots will top SWA. And in 3 short years the NC will be back at the table for more improvements


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[Linedriver]

What happened during the Delta/NWA merger? Which offer was better - the initial offer or the one we have now?

 

[KarmaPolice]

If the narrowbody purchases are posturing then it cancels out your increase of 76 seaters argument.

As far as profit sharing, it's negotiations, you can't get everything you want in a reasonable time period. But you can get DPA in there and sit on the old contract rates for the next 5 years if you're lucky trying to get pay and profit sharing increases

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You're right. Unless they buy the 717 or more A319s, there is no increase in 76 seaters. It's black and white.

 

[Hamfighter]

ALPA heard us "loud and clear" they said. That message was pay and not one more RJ. I will vote no over and over again. We do not need more RJs. That is ridiculous.
Southtran has the highest pay, no RJs, and is the most successful airline out there.
There is no reason to accept this.

 

[Hamfighter]

50-seaters dying on the vine is great...they don't need to be replaced with bigger RJs.

 

[Skippy]

I'd like to see the spin on that ratio. Are they talking seats, aircraft, fat flight attendants or what?
Plus, single digit pay increases are laughable. 3% is merely cost of living. 4% DOS is a joke. I would have passed on the 12.5% all up front.

The spin on that ratio will be a decreaSe in overall intl bc of joint ventures. If that goes down, the domestic ratio goes thru the roof...

 

[Monster Buck]

"The share of mainline domestic flying will increase by 21 percent and the ratio of mainline domestic to DCI flying will increase by 57 percent over the life of this agreement."
This statement alone sounds pretty good to me.
I don't understand what everyone is complaining about.... I understand the devil is in the details, but a 20% pay increase in tightening up on scope sound like a win for the pilots..... Am I missing something?

wtf are you smoking........it allows for 70!!! more 76 seaters. This is a pos all around. A huge no vote and this is my last of 14 years of ALPA. I am the newest DPA member. Can they (DPA) fix this, who knows but ALPA obviously didn't "hear me loud and clear"!

 

[Hamfighter]

If it looks like crap, smells like crap, and came out of ALPA's anus...it's probably crap.

 

[KarmaPolice]

The two main points that hopefully will get this TA rejected...

-A pay increase that doesn't get us SWA W2s, AND is offset by a 33% reduction in our profit sharing.

-70 more 76 seaters on property, if Management gets to do what they were going to do anyway (buy some narrow bodies and scrap more 50 seaters)

 

[Jiminmem]

I'm asking, as this is my first contract vote, what are the chances we would get a better contract if we vote this one down? I'm leaning on voting 'yes' and immediately filling out my DPA card.

You are leaning towards voting yes, but filling out a DPA card? If you don't like it, vote no. Nothing worse then voting yes and complaining about the contract.