Delta TA-whos seen it?

[horseface]

specifics, anyone?

 

[Crash Pad]

I have! It's a doozy. Send me a PM and $100 bucks and I'll forward you a copy.

 

[Data]

The 'other' forum says rumor is more 76 seaters, can't wait to hear GL's spin on why he's voting yes!

 

[Homer Jay]

If they didn't tighten scope, they seriously just f@***d us at UniCal. I care more about section 1 than any other section.

 

[Flyby1206]

If they didn't tighten scope, they seriously just f@***d us at UniCal. I care more about section 1 than any other section.

The longer you wait, the worse it will get. AA will either be working under BK imposed work rules, of a US version of scope.

 

[whatitdoing?]

I hope to GOD you Delta guys held your ground on scope.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Shiny new jets ...

 

[145BOSS]

Why does scope matter?

 

[Ridgeback]

The 'other' forum says rumor is more 76 seaters, can't wait to hear GL's spin on why he's voting yes!

Try 86 seat emb 190's going to Pinnacle. Delta forces pinnacle into chapter 11. Gives them 45 days to cut a deal with it's pilots or seek judge to reject contract or pull DIP financing. All the details have already been laid out. The devil details pinnacle pay rates for 60-86 seat aircraft with a MGTOW of 115,000. Yup that's a 190 with first, econ plus, and coach. Only question is what Delta gave their pilots to get it. My guess top end scope...always about the senior guys.

 

[Dizel8]

I hope that isn't true, the 190 details, because that would be really bad.

 

[fam62c]

Nobody on here knows what is in this TA yet.

 

[Hamfighter]

Obviously we pilots can't be trusted with that kind of information.

 

[fam62c]

If you got a deal this quickly the company wants something important from you. The question is are they willing to provide enough sugar to allow you to take the medicine without barfing. I'm guessing they will throw money at you in exchange for something that you would normally oppose. It will probably work, money has a way of trumping idealism.

 

[Hamfighter]

Personally, I won't vote to give up anything. To me, there's not a whole lot to be "negotiated." Everything has already been given on a "temporary concession" basis.

 

[Turtle21]

Got ALPA?

 

[Crash Pad]

How many Delta retirements are coming? Wouldn't take much for a junior guy to think... "once 65 hits I'll rocket up the list... it won't get me" the 60 Year old guy is just trying to max it out so he won't care.

717's going to Pinnacle

 

[GogglesPisano]

My prediction:

14% increase effective DOS.

2% increase to DC plan.

Improvements to pay, vacation and sick leave.

Annual increases of 3% for 4 years of contract.

:angryfire Increase in the number of 76-seaters. Decrease in the overall number of RJ's. Majority of 50-seaters will be gone in 5 years.

 

[Whine Lover]

" money has a way of trumping idealism..."

I LIKE that. Very nicely put.


Reminds me of the story:

A guy asks his wife if she loves him. "YES! Of Course."

"Well my friend the banker wants to "do" you."

"NO WAY!"...she says.

"But, he's offering $10,000...we could really use the money."

"NO WAY!"...she says again.

A day later, he tells his wife..."My God, he just called and said he will pay $100, 000 !!!."

"Well we COULD use that money to get us out of debt, pay for school for the kids, and pay off the house!! Okay...if I have too ! "

He call's his Buddy to seal the deal, but the offer is back down to $10,000.

"WTF?" ...he asks his Banker friend.

"Well"...he says..."We've pretty much established what she is...NOW, we're just dickering over price."

Yup.

Now, put your hats on and go to work like the professionals we know you are.




Love,

YKW

 

[Ridgeback]

Correction Pinnacle NOT getting 190's Rather these!!!

717-200
Basic Gross Weight 717-200
High Gross Weight
Cockpit crew Two
Passengers,
typical seating 106 (two-class)
117 (one-class)
Length 124 ft 0 in (37.8 m)
Wingspan 93 ft 5 in (28.47 m)
Tail height 29 ft 1 in (8.92 m)
Cabin width, external 131.6 in (334.2 cm)
Cabin width, internal 123.8 in (314.5 cm)
Max takeoff weight 110,000 lb (49,900 kg) 121,000 lb (54,900 kg)
Max range 1,430 nmi (2,645 km) 2,060 nmi (3,815 km)
Typical cruising speed Mach 0.77 (504 mph, 438 knots, 811 km/h)
at altitude of 34,200 feet (10,400 m)
Powerplants (2x) Rolls Royce BR715-A1-30 Rolls Royce BR715-C1-30
Engine thrust 18,500 lbf (82.3 kN) 21,000 lbf (93.4 kN)
Sources: Boeing 717 Characteristics,[35] 717 Airport planning report[36

 

[ultrarunner]

Hard to believe Delta would give that much on scope...