ASA 700 Staffing

[jstyle13]

Anyone else get the sense that things are about to change one way or the other on the 700/900 side? In DTW we are up to 30% reserve coverage now when all last year we ran around 10-15% at the most. We are down to 53 guys in the left seat with only 36 projected lines and low end value of 75 for the window. If it's this way in the summer, what's it going to be come fall/winter??? Looking at the ATL reserve list, looks like they are super fat on reserves now too.

Based on the union email that was sent out this week, it appears the company wants to keep guys available incase things change.?.? I have a feeling they think they are going to get some recycled DCI flying here soon and don't want to downgrade/displace guys off the 700. But competing with blowjets and a PNCL group that's about to get hosed in BK court, I don't see why we would end up with any more airframes.

I hope something is about to change for the better. I finally got off reserve after 3+ years by coming up to DTW only to face the prospect of being on it again from here on out if this trend continues. I want to believe that it will get better soon with the age 65 thing, but the way the global economy is shaping up and the airline industry in general I'm not so sure.

Here's the snippet from the MEC email about the 700 staffing:

On another note, all eight of the CRJ700’s scheduled to leave are off the schedule. This has resulted in a staffing situation on the 700 that has many of you asking why there isn’t much time to bid on during our busiest month. The Association has asked similar questions. The response given has been that the company does not want to tie up additional pilots in training in the event they are needed.

 

[Freebrd]

as soon as those Delta guys cave, esp Jenny/Oys, we'll probally get those 86 seaters like AMR

 

[jstyle13]

as soon as those Delta guys cave, esp Jenny/Oys, we'll probally get those 86 seaters like AMR

Ya that's just what I was hoping for.....to be stuck here at Xjet for the next decade.

 

[spudskier]

Quick step back... when in G-d's name have they EVER looked ahead in terms of staffing!?

It's always "oh crap, we took on more flying and didn't hire anyone, ok, everyone's flying 100hrs a month until we get people online in six months"

I agree something is up... but don't know that this has something to do with it.

 

[Clutch]

Ya that's just what I was hoping for.....to be stuck here at Xjet for the next decade.

ditto

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Here's hoping for some "good" news for a change, we need some.

 

[jetstream]

Possibly related to the $2 billion in aircraft financing SKW was approved for?

 

[jetstream]

Ya that's just what I was hoping for.....to be stuck here at Xjet for the next decade.

Every airline, even th legacy's, go through their ups and downs. This can be a good place to be and while you won't get rich you can make a respectable living.

 

[JumpersAway]

I suspect all will be quiet durring the summer. Since the majority of our revenue is made durring this time, I suspect that management, at mainline as well as XJet, doesn't want to rock the proverbial boat. However, I think once we push through to the fall, we will see some changes. I think quite a bit of it will be related to the Pinnacle BK as well as Eagle's predicament.

I'm also hoping that GJ gets pulled underwater by a weight around their neck. I'm going to smile and watch as they enjoy their 5% below cost bid on the CRJ flying. Boyd and quite a few other analysts are saying they will be the next group in the BK mixer.

There are so many variables on the table at this point, it's very difficult to get a complete picture of what is going on. With DAL pilots in contract talks early, and our management team in a mood to negotiate things to a close, and the appearance of both regional, and mainline flying on the table, it's anyone's guess.

I do, however, expect to see GJ make a hard run on anything DCI related from now on. They're a cancerous disease, and will try to spread like a virus.

 

[wmuflyguy]

as soon as those Delta guys cave, esp Jenny/Oys, we'll probally get those 86 seaters like AMR

DL approves more large RJ's and swaps them out at 1 for 2 for 50 seaters resulting in less pilot jobs. Everyone loses (or should I say looses so everyone here will understand).

 

[JumpersAway]

DL approves more large RJ's and swaps them out at 1 for 2 for 50 seaters resulting in less pilot jobs. Everyone loses (or should I say looses so everyone here will understand).

Not necessarily. With DAL 717 on the table at mainline, there could be growth there also. The hiring rumor for the fall is back up and running. There will be a shuffle, but the parties that benefit from it are unknown.

 

[79%N1]

Prediction. In 3 years, ExpressJet will be at least 40% smaller than today. The resulting loss will cure the need to find qualified applicants. As many move to majors, there will likely also be 2 for 1 swaps to eliminate 50's and 'right size' the fleet.

 

[Flyguy1226]

We are fat on the -700 side. I get paid to sit on my a$$ and play golf all day. Should be an awesome summer!

 

[OCP]

How about this... DAL makes its own fuel now so 50s become economical again. JK

 

[Freebrd]

How about this... DAL makes its own fuel now so 50s become economical again. JK

+1 (but don't tell jenny/Oys)

 

[Freebrd]

There are so many variables on the table at this point, it's very difficult to get a complete picture of what is going on. With DAL pilots in contract talks early, and our management team in a mood to negotiate things to a close, and the appearance of both regional, and mainline flying on the table, it's anyone's guess..

makes one wonder if RA and Jerry have something planned doesn't it?

 

[Jackie Moon]

We have all heard the rumor that delta asked asa to fly the 700's a little longer so gojet could get them up and running
Now I am hearing at the same time gojet went to delta and told them they couldn't do the contract at the rates agreed upon and renegotiated the contract to a point that was higher than asa's bid? Any truth to this. If so I don't think gojet will ever be in the running for any more delta flying.

 

[jstyle13]

We have all heard the rumor that delta asked asa to fly the 700's a little longer so gojet could get them up and running
Now I am hearing at the same time gojet went to delta and told them they couldn't do the contract at the rates agreed upon and renegotiated the contract to a point that was higher than asa's bid? Any truth to this. If so I don't think gojet will ever be in the running for any more delta flying.

This would be sooooo sweet. But I doubt there's much to it.

 

[JettBoii]

Prediction. In 3 years, ExpressJet will be at least 40% smaller than today. The resulting loss will cure the need to find qualified applicants. As many move to majors, there will likely also be 2 for 1 swaps to eliminate 50's and 'right size' the fleet.

It will be less than 3 years. Delta is setting a precedent that the other legacy carriers will soon follow. They have been successful in restructuring after bankruptcy; they will do whatever it takes to continue down that path. The Delta side of XJT is not immune to what the other DCI carriers have and are currently experiencing. We are next on the chopping block; just a matter of time. Look how much has changed over the last 5 years. The 2/3 for 1 will happen sooner than later. Shrinkage among the legacy carriers due to consolidation will happen with a subsequent reduction in their regional counterparts to follow. I hate speculating but the proverbial writing on he wall is obvious.

 

[gator_hater]

We are fat on the -700 side. I get paid to sit on my a$$ and play golf all day. Should be an awesome summer!

I had a summer like that once...then I was displaced in September.

 

[777forever]

We have all heard the rumor that delta asked asa to fly the 700's a little longer so gojet could get them up and running
Now I am hearing at the same time gojet went to delta and told them they couldn't do the contract at the rates agreed upon and renegotiated the contract to a point that was higher than asa's bid? Any truth to this. If so I don't think gojet will ever be in the running for any more delta flying.

I heard Delta told GoJet to stuff it. I highly doubt Delta would renegotiate as ruthless as they are with DCI. I wouldn't worry about GoJet fellas. Trans States Holdings will soon be following PNCL into Bankruptcy. Hulas is playing the same game ole Phil Tenary was playing and eventually it catches up with you.


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[JumpersAway]

Agreed. I don't see DAL renegotiating out of good spirit. It's plain and simple economics. DAL is ruthless with DCI, and it purely profit driven. I don't fault DAL for this, it's just the nature of the business and the buisiness model that SkyWest Inc. has opted to participate in, for the time being. Skywest Management is smiling and watching as GoJets "enjoys" their "at a loss" flying. Simply put, Skywest Inc. is going to be patient in an effort to be the "last man standing", so to speak. They'll outlast the competition, due to the fact that they have the money on hand to do so. This is just my opinion, however, and I have no facts at all to back this opinion up. Just a gut feeling.

 

[trip]

Not to mention the E175 is eating their lunch, 76 seats with costs much higher than the competing CR9's, ouch!

 

[777forever]

Not to mention the E175 is eating their lunch, 76 seats with costs much higher than the competing CR9's, ouch!

E175s eating their lunch because they apparently agreed to a crap rate that barely breaks even if at all. Delta got such a good deal on the rates that's why they only sold Compass to TSA for what $20 mil? Wait til the maintenance costs start to pile up. A bankruptcy waiting to happen.

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[DYLIN]

E175s eating their lunch because they apparently agreed to a crap rate that barely breaks even if at all. Delta got such a good deal on the rates that's why they only sold Compass to TSA for what $20 mil? Wait til the maintenance costs start to pile up. A bankruptcy waiting to happen.

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Based on?

Any fact at all?

Any source of real information?

No, as usual.

 

[777forever]

Based on?

Any fact at all?

Any source of real information?

No, as usual.

TSA is a private company so no facts, just industry "hearsay"

Only time will tell if it's true or not


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[trip]

Based on?

Any fact at all?

Any source of real information?

No, as usual.

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Delta Air Lines said Thursday it would sell two of its regional subsidiaries for a combined $82.5 million to shed less profitable routes from its system. The Atlanta carrier said it would sell Memphis-based Mesaba to Pinnacle Airlines Corp. for $62 million and Compass Airlines to St. Louis-based Trans States Holdings for $20.5 million.

The fact is it's burning 1K lbs per hour more than a CR9 carrying the same seats and more bags and no Dl is not paying up because it's more comfy.

When will the MRJ show up?

 

[wmuflyguy]

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Delta Air Lines said Thursday it would sell two of its regional subsidiaries for a combined $82.5 million to shed less profitable routes from its system. The Atlanta carrier said it would sell Memphis-based Mesaba to Pinnacle Airlines Corp. for $62 million and Compass Airlines to St. Louis-based Trans States Holdings for $20.5 million.

The fact is it's burning 1K lbs per hour more than a CR9 carrying the same seats and more bags and no Dl is not paying up because it's more comfy.

When will the MRJ show up?

Having flown both, it does not burn 1k more per hour

 

[JustaNumber]

Having flown both, it does not burn 1k more per hour

I am curious--what is the actual burn difference?

 

[wmuflyguy]

If I remember correctly (it has been a few years since I flew the 700/900) it is pretty much within 100 or 200# We burn about 1600-1800 a side at .77, which is about where I remember it being on the 700/900 where I used to work (we did CI flying so our speed varied a lot there).

I do think the CRJ does a bit better on gas, but they are the same engines as on the 900 (crj-900 engines have a little higher thrust rating). I thought the ERJ would burn more to before I actually flew it, but it really isn't as large as I thought.

We were burning 2100 a side at FL360 a side today but doing .80 as it was the freedom leg.