Usapa lost!

[Sandhawk]

LOA 93 arbitration....

Activate the CIRP!

Merry Christmas

 

[TWA Dude]

Nobody saw that coming...

 

[XR650R]

Explain.

 

[cactusboy53]

There is an announcement from Tracy Parella on USAPA's website.

 

[PCL_128]

Gee, there's a shock.

 

[Flyer1015]

What did they lose? What was LOA 93? Details, please.

 

[PCL_128]

What did they lose? What was LOA 93? Details, please.

LOA 93 is the concessionary LOA that reduced USAirways East pay rates (among other concessions). USAPA's contention was that the pay cuts expired on a certain date. Apparently the arbitrator was smart enough to see through that nonsense. It's too bad, though. Those rates snapping up could have been a big help to a lot of groups in negotiations. They just had no reasonable argument for why they should. Hopefully USAPA will finally figure out that they'll need to negotiate in good faith instead of playing these games. But I wouldn't count on it.

 

[doh]

Okaaaay, that was strange. I was reading this thread and it suddenly disappeared. Now it's back. Huh? Someone care to post the ruling?

 

[captfred]

Kasher is a senile old man. Do over please.

 

[Taco Rocket]

Only in this industry do some celebrate such a loss and its affects on so many people.

Others are right: this puts downward pressure on the piloting "profession" as a whole and really benefits nobody in the end.

 

[General Lee]

Only in this industry do some celebrate such a loss and its affects on so many people.

Others are right: this puts downward pressure on the piloting "profession" as a whole and really benefits nobody in the end.

Yes, but this would have been over by now had the East side not become complete wheenies and followed the BINDING ARBITRATION award THEY AGREED TO. They deserve all of this. What a bad choice they made.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[TWA Dude]

Only in this industry do some celebrate such a loss and its affects on so many people.

Only in this industry do some try to get around binding arbitration by changing unions. We shouldn't take pleasure in this loss yet it's hard not to feel there's a sense of justice in the ruling.

 

[Tweaker]

Yet it sure did bring out the usual suspects of ALPO d1ck suckers and recovering Pay For Training reprobates, dient it?

I agree that it would have been better for the East in that it would have lit a fire under the collective stalling asses at Team Tempe to actually engage in honest negotiations, while the West would have not benefited from that directly. Obviously, the old work rules and pay rates would be a direct win as well, and only for the East.

On the other hand, the West should have applauded a pro pilot decision in the LOA 93 case in that "it would have lit a fire under the collective stalling asses at Team Tempe to actually engage in honest negotiations." This would speed up the timeline for a final battle royal over Duty of Fair Representation and the West could have their day in court.

Either way, both parties would have had reason to celebrate. Now there is only schadenfreud.

The nightmare of US Airways continues...TBD

 

[Sandhawk]

Yet it sure did bring out the usual suspects of ALPO d1ck suckers and recovering Pay For Training reprobates, dient it?

Yes sir, it looks like it brought you straight out of the closet!

The nightmare of US Airways continues...TBD

Only because you have allowed it to continue... Enjoy LOA 93

:laugh:

 

[Guppiedriver]

Yet it sure did bring out the usual suspects of ALPO d1ck suckers and recovering Pay For Training reprobates, dient it?

I agree that it would have been better for the East in that it would have lit a fire under the collective stalling asses at Team Tempe to actually engage in honest negotiations, while the West would have not benefited from that directly. Obviously, the old work rules and pay rates would be a direct win as well, and only for the East.

On the other hand, the West should have applauded a pro pilot decision in the LOA 93 case in that "it would have lit a fire under the collective stalling asses at Team Tempe to actually engage in honest negotiations." This would speed up the timeline for a final battle royal over Duty of Fair Representation and the West could have their day in court.

Either way, both parties would have had reason to celebrate. Now there is only schadenfreud.

The nightmare of US Airways continues...TBD

Wrong on all accounts. Now that uSAPa lost LOA 93 and will soon lose the DJ...we will finally be able to get on with decertifying this POS union. Only then will we be able to pull in the same direction to get a contract that benefits ALL US Airways pilots.

This nightmare has nothing to do with US Airways....it was 100% created by the followers and supporters of uSAPa. Enjoy LOA 93.

 

[DCAA320]

It took this cocksucker 2 years to decide this? Jesus

 

[FDJ2]

Only in this industry do some celebrate such a loss and its affects on so many people.

Others are right: this puts downward pressure on the piloting "profession" as a whole and really benefits nobody in the end.

What's put downward pressure on the industry was the East not honoring their obligations, spawning a union in the back of a van late at night in order to try and weasel out of their obligations and not negotiating in good faith to complete a JCBA when the money was already on the table. USAPA is so dysfunctional at its core, that there is little hope for a turn around for many years to come at LCC. USAPA has been a complete disaster for not only the East pilots, but the profession as a whole.

 

[waveflyer]

It took this cocksucker 2 years to decide this? Jesus

This^^^
shouldnt he be accountable for how long it took?
F^cking ridiculous

 

[Fubijaakr]

what's put downward pressure on the industry was the east not honoring their obligations, spawning a union in the back of a van late at night in order to try and weasel out of their obligations and not negotiating in good faith to complete a jcba when the money was already on the table. Usapa is so dysfunctional at its core, that there is little hope for a turn around for many years to come at lcc. Usapa has been a complete disaster for not only the east pilots, but the profession as a whole.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^+1

 

[waveflyer]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^+1

+1/2
I'd be more than happy to see the east pilots lay down their swords and do the right thing immediately- not sure if they will- but redemption has to be an option- there has to be an out of some kind- make it clear and easy that the best decision is to accept Nic and get pay raises (!) Allow them the space to undig their heels

 

[cactusboy53]

Only in this industry do some celebrate such a loss and its affects on so many people.

Others are right: this puts downward pressure on the piloting "profession" as a whole and really benefits nobody in the end.

Taco;
No celebration (for me), but rather shaking of the head and uttering "tsk, tsk, tsk". USAPA & the USAPA "faithful" have brought this and all of the other losses on their own doorstep. This is just one of a "van load" of failures delivered ever since Bradford & King hatched this little plot to evade a final & binding seniority arbitration.

As a direct result of these and other actions, we have lost out on at least 4 years of contract improvements (when the economy was doing GREAT) and as much as 11% increase in wages (that's just for the west, A TON more for the east).

The nail in the DOH coffin is coming from Judge Silver's classroom. Look for that in late January to Mid-February.

What a huge waste of time, effort and money for nothing but delay. We have a union that is barely solvent for all of the nasty, fruitless litigation that was hatched. The only people that have made out like bandits are the countless legal firms employed by USAPA & the USAPAian elite on full FPL.

You just can't make this crap up.

 

[PCL_128]

This^^^
shouldnt he be accountable for how long it took?
F^cking ridiculous

Unfortunately, the only way to hold an arbitrator accountable is to just not use him in the future. But, Kasher is one of the better arbitrators for airline cases, so most people don't want to strike him during the selection process.

 

[Carl S.]

I love how Tracy/Granny lied right to everyones' face on the 11/21 update saying no ruling had been made, yet she knew on 11/10 the truth. True East pilot backstabber!!!! Enjoy LOA 93 till you are ready to man up and move on. I did enjoy the not even 3% raise youy were also denied, could not happen to better people.

 

[say again]

Any Easties care to chime in?

 

[say again]

Yes, but this would have been over by now had the East side not become complete wheenies and followed the BINDING ARBITRATION award THEY AGREED TO. They deserve all of this. What a bad choice they made.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Exactly!! You say some crap on here, but this sums it all up.

 

[DCAA320]

It blows u stupid ********************.

Chime that

 

[say again]

Sucks for you! You deserve it all you greedy ********************s!! I tried to feel for your group (in the early stages), but that all went out the window. I have no sympathy for USAPA and it's followers. Chime back on that ***********************************.

 

[waveflyer]

It blows u stupid ********************.

Chime that

I agree- I've said all along, this move is mostly stupid bc of loa93- now that you know you're stuck with loa93- and the dfr will be ripe upon any JCBA- what's the next move?

I'll be here, reminding you that the industry really needs usair to step up their rates - it's gotten way more serious since AA declared ch11-
What's the next play?
Please, let it go and get back in the game- we all really need those rates up

 

[waveflyer]

Sucks for you! You deserve it all you greedy ********************s!! I tried to feel for your group (in the early stages), but that all went out the window. I have no sympathy for USAPA and it's followers. Chime back on that ***********************************.

The rest of the industry and all the other good people and pilots don't, however, deserve the anchor that loa93 has become. AA pilots don't deserve it- and WN pilots need some pressure relieved

 

[surfnfly]

Unfortunatley Dougie is not gonna offer more than the crappy Kirby proposal that still keeps are pay at the bottom, so we won't be doing anyone any favors by accepting it. I for one will never give a yes vote until our pay rates are equal or better than at least B6 or NK and many other work rule improvments. When or if an AA merger could happen then we may see a Dougie throw enough cash our way to get a contract to pass until then I don't expect any change from the current split, except maybe some more old guys leave that were on the fence waiting to retire or go out on sick at a higher rate finally decide they had enough and leave.