Jb q&a

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

How Junior are the current line holders for F/O in JFK ?

Is the MCO flying both A/C ? How soon could a new-hire expect MCO ?

 

[fifty30retard]

How Junior are the current line holders for F/O in JFK ?

Is the MCO flying both A/C ? How soon could a new-hire expect MCO ?

New hire movement is robust as there are over 150 FEDEX training record requests on file right now at OSC. When those folks leave they will need to be replaced. They say they're hiring 300 this year but half of it is attrition because those guys are using B6 as a stepping stone to go to greener pastures as just about any major airline pasture is greener than B6. The other hiring is for growth, but with such a young pilot group, don't expect more than a few retirements each year for the next 20 years. That's right, this is not the place you want to be for career enhancement.

As for line holding, you'll be a JFK lineholder within 6 months. Both fleets have pilot basing in MCO but they go rather senior. FLL and BOS are your best early bets out of JFK.

 

[Dr King]

New hire movement is robust as there are over 150 FEDEX training record requests on file right now at OSC. When those folks leave they will need to be replaced. They say they're hiring 300 this year but half of it is attrition because those guys are using B6 as a stepping stone to go to greener pastures as just about any major airline pasture is greener than B6. The other hiring is for growth, but with such a young pilot group, don't expect more than a few retirements each year for the next 20 years. That's right, this is not the place you want to be for career enhancement.

As for line holding, you'll be a JFK lineholder within 6 months. Both fleets have pilot basing in MCO but they go rather senior. FLL and BOS are your best early bets out of JFK.

Not entirely correct. Im here seven months and still 25 from holding a line at JFK on the Bus. It's great that they are using this as a steeping stone because we dont want them here anyway. This is a great company and plan on being here for the next 39 years.

 

[say again]

Who is the we that you speak of not wanting them there? JB is not a career airline for many, get over the fact that it's true. Glad you like JB, but it's not gonna be around for that long.

 

[fifty30retard]

Not entirely correct. Im here seven months and still 25 from holding a line at JFK on the Bus. It's great that they are using this as a steeping stone because we dont want them here anyway. This is a great company and plan on being here for the next 39 years.

Not entirely true? Six months vs. seven months? Really junior? You've got it all figured out haven't you?

You sound just dumb enough to let an Alaska pilot your age have 21% company 401K contribution with NO pilot contribution each year to your 10% 401K company contribution and 5% paycut to get your company contribution, for the next 39 years. That'll equate to a $2 million shortfall in your future value of dollars at age 65. Good work junior, you've just won the race to the bottom.

We're so proud of you and all you stand for, which is nothing, the complete doormat.

 

[kellwolf]

Not entirely true? Six months vs. seven months? Really junior? You've got it all figured out haven't you?

You sound just dumb enough to let an Alaska pilot your age have 21% company 401K contribution with NO pilot contribution each year to your 10% 401K company contribution and 5% paycut to get your company contribution, for the next 39 years. That'll equate to a $2 million shortfall in your future value of dollars at age 65. Good work junior, you've just won the race to the bottom.

We're so proud of you and all you stand for, which is nothing, the complete doormat.

For someone so geared towards people presenting facts over emotions, you sure get hacked off when someone points out one of your facts isn't entire true.....

We get it. JetBlue doesn't have the best health care or retirement. Hell, it's not even average. You can stop beating everyone over the head with it, though. We get the picture.

 

[Smarta$$]

Who is the we that you speak of not wanting them there? JB is not a career airline for many, get over the fact that it's true. Glad you like JB, but it's not gonna be around for that long.

Where do you work?

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

Your all a bunch of tool bags who know nothing. I hope you all lose your medicals.

 

[BeachBummer]

How Junior are the current line holders for F/O in JFK ?

Is the MCO flying both A/C ? How soon could a new-hire expect MCO ?

To get beyond the juicers and the haters...

You would probably hold a line in 6mo in JFK, however they staff higher RSV bodies in nov-dec due to the holiday season and above average sickcation rate. If you were to be hired in dec, I'd expect to see a line in June-jul.

MCO= both A/C. We have just shy of 2300 pilots I believe that JR 190 is about 2012ish and JR 320 is 1930ish. It's been said, but you may likely hold 190CA before you get a line on the 320 as an FO in MCO.

Don't bag on the guys who want to make this "destination" airline better, we need serious improvments in alot of places. Maybe listen to whats wrong with jb and understand why guys are upset rather than being so happy to be here and defend the company you've been at for afew months. While I don't share retards salt for the situation he is right on most counts.

That being said you should be happy to be here. Enjoy it, I hope it lasts. Welcome aboard, and listen to the folks who've been doing it for 4-11yrs. All I'm sayin is understand where this is comming from.

We've already heard all the one liners:

Growing pains
We get it... THIS time
hard economy
We're gonna give you industry standard...
new managment
old managment
it's an IT issue
it's deminimus (I still don't know whta teh F dis is)
you can give your self a raise by working more( my fav)
There's more.
This list is much longer the longer you are here that's just shy of 4yrs worth.

At the end of it all the best relation I come up with is if you tell your kids at the 1st of the month we're goin to disney next week... then don't. You say next week. Then next month... sorry we ran out of money. Next week... so to get them off your back you buy them a DVD of the snow white and shrek. They might be excited to get the movie... but it's no trip to disney, your kids think your a liar and don't trust you.

 

[fifty30retard]

For someone so geared towards people presenting facts over emotions, you sure get hacked off when someone points out one of your facts isn't entire true.....

We get it. JetBlue doesn't have the best health care or retirement. Hell, it's not even average. You can stop beating everyone over the head with it, though. We get the picture.

What part wasn't entirely true? Seven months vs. six months? Your kidding right?

Enjoy your sh!t benefits and retirement while you age quicker than any other pilot in the industry as you chisel whatever flica you can as they squeeze you further and further year by year into a quivering mass.

 

[$$$4nothin]

What part wasn't entirely true? Seven months vs. six months? Your kidding right?

Enjoy your sh!t benefits and retirement while you age quicker than any other pilot in the industry as you chisel whatever flica you can as they squeeze you further and further year by year into a quivering mass.

Still. With the benefit and retirement bitch. It's getting old man. Everyone knows.

 

[fifty30retard]

Still. With the benefit and retirement bitch. It's getting old man. Everyone knows.

New hires don't, nor do the ones dumb enough to apply. Just heard another newhire today say he's "just happy to have a job". Well, I'm happy to have a bowel movement, but I'm not going to brag about it. Is it so bad now that pilots grovel to the level of flight attendant and verbalize this nonsense? How about this, management is lucky to have that guy working here. That's right, they're lucky to find someone dumb enough to verbalize he's ok with medical costing $740 a month, or a bad retirement for what should be a major airline pilot. They're lucky alright, but they know what they're doing, you folks apparently don't.

 

[dhc8fo]

Just heard another newhire today say he's "just happy to have a job". Well, I'm happy to have a bowel movement, but I'm not going to brag about it.

Have you ever tried to eat a turd or pay a bill with one? Easy for you to say since you HAVE a job. Apparently one you don't like. So why don't you leave and let some other "happy sheep" take your place? Geeez.

 

[Dr King]

New hires don't, nor do the ones dumb enough to apply. Just heard another newhire today say he's "just happy to have a job". Well, I'm happy to have a bowel movement, but I'm not going to brag about it. Is it so bad now that pilots grovel to the level of flight attendant and verbalize this nonsense? How about this, management is lucky to have that guy working here. That's right, they're lucky to find someone dumb enough to verbalize he's ok with medical costing $740 a month, or a bad retirement for what should be a major airline pilot. They're lucky alright, but they know what they're doing, you folks apparently don't.

I would be happy if you broke your hand so we wouldnt have to read your bull******************** anymore. If you hate it that much then quit. Stop trying to bring everyone else down with you negativity.

 

[BUDDHA145]

I would be happy if you broke your hand so we wouldnt have to read your bull******************** anymore. If you hate it that much then quit. Stop trying to bring everyone else down with you negativity.

Hahaha!!! Right on...

 

[B6Busdriver]

I would be happy if you broke your hand so we wouldnt have to read your bull******************** anymore. If you hate it that much then quit. Stop trying to bring everyone else down with you negativity.

Reality sucks doesn't it? When someone interrupts the force in the bluethisphere everyone gets their panties in a wad. The pilots of jetBlue OUGHT to be pissed off.

 

[$$$4nothin]

New hires don't, nor do the ones dumb enough to apply. Just heard another newhire today say he's "just happy to have a job". Well, I'm happy to have a bowel movement, but I'm not going to brag about it. Is it so bad now that pilots grovel to the level of flight attendant and verbalize this nonsense? How about this, management is lucky to have that guy working here. That's right, they're lucky to find someone dumb enough to verbalize he's ok with medical costing $740 a month, or a bad retirement for what should be a major airline pilot. They're lucky alright, but they know what they're doing, you folks apparently don't.

I am a new hire as of July. So I am pretty new here. Guess what. I knew what all the medical, retirement, and flight benefits were the day I started here. Every guy in my class new exactly what the medical and bennies were also. Everyone knows. I had even read over and understood the entire PEA before I started here. My entire class must have been dumb ones though. Here is the deal though. When you live in the Midwest, have all of your debt paid off, have your financial house in perfect order, no kids, good wife insurance, 16-17 days off a month and 100k+ as an FO doesn't exactly sound to bad. Yes this place needs improvemnets, yes we all want to get better be it here or somewhere else. You constantly bitching makes your points less valid and just annoying.

 

[Fins Up]

Wife insurance?? What is it and how do I get some?

 

[$$$4nothin]

Wife insurance?? What is it and how do I get some?

Sorry, that wasn't very gramatically correct. I'll explain better this time.

What you do is go out and find a hot girl that makes good money. Start hitting on her and find out if she has good insurance bennies. If she says yes you marry her. Now you have got wife insurance.

 

[CapnVegetto]

I am a new hire as of July. So I am pretty new here. Guess what. I knew what all the medical, retirement, and flight benefits were the day I started here. Every guy in my class new exactly what the medical and bennies were also. Everyone knows. I had even read over and understood the entire PEA before I started here. My entire class must have been dumb ones though. Here is the deal though. When you live in the Midwest, have all of your debt paid off, have your financial house in perfect order, no kids, good wife insurance, 16-17 days off a month and 100k+ as an FO doesn't exactly sound to bad. Yes this place needs improvemnets, yes we all want to get better be it here or somewhere else. You constantly bitching makes your points less valid and just annoying.

Bingo. It's all about living within your means. I'd be willing to bet tard is divorced with a mountain of debt and god knows how much alimony.

If you can't give a great life on 100K plus you are a blight on humanity.

I'm in the same boat. No debt, no car payments, mortgage on a 15 year note that will be paid off by the time I am 43. It's not that hard. Just don't knock up flight attendants, buy $hit that you can't pay for, and live with what you've got, not with what you hope you'll have in 10 years.

 

[fifty30retard]

Bingo. It's all about living within your means. I'd be willing to bet tard is divorced with a mountain of debt and god knows how much alimony.

If you can't give a great life on 100K plus you are a blight on humanity.

I'm in the same boat. No debt, no car payments, mortgage on a 15 year note that will be paid off by the time I am 43. It's not that hard. Just don't knock up flight attendants, buy $hit that you can't pay for, and live with what you've got, not with what you hope you'll have in 10 years.

Great work, you've diminished the pilot profession to just happy to be employed. Maybe you could get a law degree or medical degree and chop that profession down to size. You folks are pathetic.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Great work, you've diminished the pilot profession to just happy to be employed. Maybe you could get a law degree or medical degree and chop that profession down to size. You folks are pathetic.

I diminish the profession?

I've got news for you, YOU diminish the profession.

It is jackasses like you that are primarily responsible for the general public believing that we are all worthless, lazy, flight attendent screwing, 6 day a month working, vacation home owning, porsche driving, adulterous divorcees that always only want more.

You perpetuate the stereotype and make it more difficult for those of us that are rational in our thoughts and actions to actually IMPROVE things.

Just go kill yourself. You are a waste of skin.

I am officially finished wasting my time with you.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Bingo. It's all about living within your means. I'd be willing to bet tard is divorced with a mountain of debt and god knows how much alimony.

If you can't give a great life on 100K plus you are a blight on humanity.

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Garunteed. Hey Tard do your self a favor. Go read "The total money makover" by Dave Ramsey. You will be a lot happier in a couple years.

 

[Fubijaakr]

It is jackasses like you that are primarily responsible for the general public believing that we are all worthless, lazy, flight attendent screwing, 6 day a month working, vacation home owning, porsche driving, adulterous divorcees that always only want more..

Are you saying we're NOT? Darn it!

 

[fifty30retard]

I diminish the profession?

I've got news for you, YOU diminish the profession.

It is jackasses like you that are primarily responsible for the general public believing that we are all worthless, lazy, flight attendent screwing, 6 day a month working, vacation home owning, porsche driving, adulterous divorcees that always only want more.

You perpetuate the stereotype and make it more difficult for those of us that are rational in our thoughts and actions to actually IMPROVE things.

Just go kill yourself. You are a waste of skin.

I am officially finished wasting my time with you.

So it's official? Thanks for that. As far as improving things, what exactly are you improving? The company just said no more money budgeted to fix anything. The exact quote was in reference to money, "none whatsoever". So please, you professing to be the expert on all things aviation and jetBlue, tell us how anything gets fixed without monetary increases and PCASM increased? The only way is out of hide, a zero cost solution, the same solutions management has been using since RTP began.

In case you missed it, RTP ended in November 2009 when Mark Powers, EVP and Treasurer announced to the world jetBlue was free cash flow, meaning, it could grow operations from revenue without borrowing for growth.

In essence, you and your NO voters gave the company a two year pass in August and they just told you to go fvck yourselves. Shouldn't you be directing fire in their direction?

 

[CapnVegetto]

So it's official? Thanks for that. As far as improving things, what exactly are you improving? The company just said no more money budgeted to fix anything. The exact quote was in reference to money, "none whatsoever". So please, you professing to be the expert on all things aviation and jetBlue, tell us how anything gets fixed without monetary increases and PCASM increased? The only way is out of hide, a zero cost solution, the same solutions management has been using since RTP began.

In case you missed it, RTP ended in November 2009 when Mark Powers, EVP and Treasurer announced to the world jetBlue was free cash flow, meaning, it could grow operations from revenue without borrowing for growth.

In essence, you and your NO voters gave the company a two year pass in August and they just told you to go fvck yourselves. Shouldn't you be directing fire in their direction?

Apparently you don't know how to read.

I've already stated that I would vote yes to a union, and that I was unable to vote in the last election as I was not eligible.

You also seem to have no understanding of supply and demand economics.

Pay and benefits will go up when the company has no choice but to raise them, due to not being able to fill seats. As long as there are 10,000 applications on file, they pay what the market dictates.

Try reading a book sometime.

Now I feel like a jackass for actually responding to you again.

 

[fifty30retard]

Apparently you don't know how to read.

I've already stated that I would vote yes to a union, and that I was unable to vote in the last election as I was not eligible.

You also seem to have no understanding of supply and demand economics.

Pay and benefits will go up when the company has no choice but to raise them, due to not being able to fill seats. As long as there are 10,000 applications on file, they pay what the market dictates.

Try reading a book sometime.

Now I feel like a jackass for actually responding to you again.

New hire is it? Ok, that explains your anger. I'd be upset too if I knew a management team willingly lied to me and now I was in servitude to them forever.

Don't hold your breath on the pilot shortage thing, jetBlue's been hiring foreigners for 12 years now, there seems to be an inexhaustible supply of them out there.

 

[CitationLover]

New hire is it? Ok, that explains your anger. I'd be upset too if I knew a management team willingly lied to me and now I was in servitude to them forever.

Don't hold your breath on the pilot shortage thing, jetBlue's been hiring foreigners for 12 years now, there seems to be an inexhaustible supply of them out there.

When were you hired at
JetBlue? Answer that then look in the mirror for whose holding the profession back.

 

[fifty30retard]

When were you hired at
JetBlue? Answer that then look in the mirror for whose holding the profession back.

That doesn't even make sense? Why would I tell you a hire date? Are you a sandmanoval ferret? Out to destroy dissent are we?

To answer your question, this failed management team is leading the race to the bottom, not the captive pilots, with a pilot CASM 35% below peer. If you try justifying it, you are part of the problem.

Your management team is a failure.

 

[Av8tor91]

New hire is it? Ok, that explains your anger. I'd be upset too if I knew a management team willingly lied to me and now I was in servitude to them forever.

Don't hold your breath on the pilot shortage thing, jetBlue's been hiring foreigners for 12 years now, there seems to be an inexhaustible supply of them out there.

Someone needs to shut this dude up or block him. This dude does not deserve to be flying at all.