An outsiders view of the ALPA/SWAPA story

[Kharma Police]

Fly-By,

If and when Gary pulls the complete plug on AAI, you still going to be coming on here posting 'Scare Tactics'. If you really don't think he's considering it, your either not that sharp or not listening up.

RF

I think you boys better start getting ready for the unthinkable then attempting to say "no" when Gary tells SWAPA, "sorry boys, we signed it and a deal is a deal!" I know Steve Chase won't have the stones to do it, so drop the tough guy act.

Gary signed, so SWAPA can whine!

 

[Roomwithaview]

Clap

The SWA posters that whine about arbitration remind me of my ex wife whining that our counselor does not take her side. If you have a valid argument - why not test it by having an independent person weigh it against the other sides argument?

This is only one of many choices companies have when implementing a deal like this. I could just as easily scoff at the Trannies that hang their hats (and careers) on BM as if they think there are no other options to SWA and SWAPA.

Especially since you seem to have signed a letter saying that you would.

USAir/Cactus (as of late) did the exact same thing. I believe ALPA had total control of that process and look how well that worked out. They went to "binding arbitration" and USAPA did not abide by the Nicolau award. Not passing judgment, just merely pointing out that agreements are not cast in stone unfortunately. You mean to tell me Airline Mgt has never violated a contract???!!!!! Say it isn't so!!!

Then these people go on to say that they would NOT want to follow an independent persons assesment of the situation because they know better.

No, just like every other pilot group on the planet we'll take the card we are dealt and assess them at that point in time. If we get a ********************ty deal and our membership has the mettle to take it to the next level then we'll do that. If we get a ********************ty deal and don't then que sera sera.

If Kelly steps in and radiates this cancer that is getting ready to infect our company then I would think that would be the most intelligent path to take. Certainly the one I would be leaning toward based on the events and comments from the trannies that seem to hate SWA more than they ever hated Airtran.

Good luck fellers.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Thank you for a well thought out response - however - SWAPA should have considered all that prior to agreeing to binding arbitration.

How about this one:

Take all the ex Airtran guys that have been hired with SWA. Take all the years that they have collectively worked with Airtran and divide it by the number of ex Airtran pilots. Then adjust every Airtran pilots DOH by that amount. That would be a market based approach to value of seniority given up by pilots to join SWA.

SWAPA doesn't have to agree to binding arbitration, it is required by M/B. What is NOT required however, is integration.

 

[texman]

Yes if SWAPA does not get their way they will go tell mommy.

That spoiled little new brother is picking us. Take that as a joke capt.

 

[Kharma Police]

SWAPA doesn't have to agree to binding arbitration, it is required by M/B. What is NOT required however, is integration.

LOL!, time to start preparing, just keep repeating over and over, "no". Then when Gary is sitting across from you and telling you ,"this is how it is, sorry", maybe you can say it (but you and I know you won't).

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Are you denying that my statement is true?

 

[Kharma Police]

Are you denying that my statement is true?

Affirmative

 

[ASADFW7]

There is a lot of speculation here, but what I see as a contrast is in US/America West and the SWA/AAI is where management sits. USair has no desire to expedite a fair solution and didn't support either side, SWA management is not USair. SWA proposed a solution to expedite an agreement that would leap SWA months ahead of the timeline for the financial benefit of both sides within a healthy company. There are people who didn't like the deal but SWA could move forward and continue to be profitable with the agreement. The memo from the SWA CEO took the expedited incentives off the table for both sides. Those incentives didn't take much money from SWA pilots, but may have impacted the financial health of SWA, and certainly removed the date of higher pay rates for the whole AAI pilot group. The SWA pilots have a closer relationship with our management that benefits the group with great productivity and financial gain, AAI not so much. AAI monetarily closed the door on gains for their whole group.

The AAI group of pilots may be seeing those gains as a given because of the acquisition. However, it is SWA that has the final decision on integration. The SWAPA pilots can influence the outcome, but what we are seeing is the AAI pilots actually have a greater impact on their own integration in a negative way. All the discussion on flight info negatively impacts the AAI group as it awakes a sleeping giant in the Swa pilot group. The outsiders who are screaming for fair for AAI may be extending the timeline for integration beyond the SWA management integration timeline into a real harm for the AAI group.

If there was zero discussion here life would be moving forward as planned. However, how is life normal now? The AAI group turned down a timeline with 1.8 billion dollars of gains for their pilot group, the CEO of SWA removed the gains from the table, and we are back to an outcome that places many AAI pilots on nervous ground. I am sorry that the reality of the situation has been negatively impacted into fear that financial security is less than it was before SL9 was not sent forward for a vote.

 

[Empennage]

LOL!, time to start preparing, just keep repeating over and over, "no". Then when Gary is sitting across from you and telling you ,"this is how it is, sorry", maybe you can say it (but you and I know you won't).

Sadly kp that hope is your faith. It's also what keeps us from coming to a negotiated agreement.

Legally you are incorrect. I suppose you have learned from oys and GL if you repeat it enough, not only will YOU believe it, but you will wish it to become fact or truth.

We all want the best for us all. When these conversations and debates become useless and anything but constructive is usually where I will say something. We have more than arrived there. I respect your belief but your faith doesn't make is truthful nor legally accurate.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Empennage

Legally you are incorrect. I suppose you have learned from oys and GL if you repeat it enough, not only will YOU believe it, but you will wish it to become fact or truth.

The trannies like KP need to read that over and over again until it finally sinks in.

Sadly, I think it never will until the reality of their situation is upon them.

Good luck fellers.