An outsiders view of the ALPA/SWAPA story

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Are you denying that my statement is true?

 

[Kharma Police]

Are you denying that my statement is true?

Affirmative

 

[ASADFW7]

There is a lot of speculation here, but what I see as a contrast is in US/America West and the SWA/AAI is where management sits. USair has no desire to expedite a fair solution and didn't support either side, SWA management is not USair. SWA proposed a solution to expedite an agreement that would leap SWA months ahead of the timeline for the financial benefit of both sides within a healthy company. There are people who didn't like the deal but SWA could move forward and continue to be profitable with the agreement. The memo from the SWA CEO took the expedited incentives off the table for both sides. Those incentives didn't take much money from SWA pilots, but may have impacted the financial health of SWA, and certainly removed the date of higher pay rates for the whole AAI pilot group. The SWA pilots have a closer relationship with our management that benefits the group with great productivity and financial gain, AAI not so much. AAI monetarily closed the door on gains for their whole group.

The AAI group of pilots may be seeing those gains as a given because of the acquisition. However, it is SWA that has the final decision on integration. The SWAPA pilots can influence the outcome, but what we are seeing is the AAI pilots actually have a greater impact on their own integration in a negative way. All the discussion on flight info negatively impacts the AAI group as it awakes a sleeping giant in the Swa pilot group. The outsiders who are screaming for fair for AAI may be extending the timeline for integration beyond the SWA management integration timeline into a real harm for the AAI group.

If there was zero discussion here life would be moving forward as planned. However, how is life normal now? The AAI group turned down a timeline with 1.8 billion dollars of gains for their pilot group, the CEO of SWA removed the gains from the table, and we are back to an outcome that places many AAI pilots on nervous ground. I am sorry that the reality of the situation has been negatively impacted into fear that financial security is less than it was before SL9 was not sent forward for a vote.

 

[Empennage]

LOL!, time to start preparing, just keep repeating over and over, "no". Then when Gary is sitting across from you and telling you ,"this is how it is, sorry", maybe you can say it (but you and I know you won't).

Sadly kp that hope is your faith. It's also what keeps us from coming to a negotiated agreement.

Legally you are incorrect. I suppose you have learned from oys and GL if you repeat it enough, not only will YOU believe it, but you will wish it to become fact or truth.

We all want the best for us all. When these conversations and debates become useless and anything but constructive is usually where I will say something. We have more than arrived there. I respect your belief but your faith doesn't make is truthful nor legally accurate.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Empennage

Legally you are incorrect. I suppose you have learned from oys and GL if you repeat it enough, not only will YOU believe it, but you will wish it to become fact or truth.

The trannies like KP need to read that over and over again until it finally sinks in.

Sadly, I think it never will until the reality of their situation is upon them.

Good luck fellers.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Affirmative

Just so I understand, you are saying we are without a doubt legally bound to combine the two companies?

Not according to Dan Katz, or Linden Hillman (aka. Todd Ortsheid). You know those guys don't you?

 

[Kharma Police]

Just so I understand, you are saying we are without a doubt legally bound to combine the two companies?

Not according to Dan Katz, or Linden Hillman (aka. Todd Ortsheid). You know those guys don't you?

Affirmative (again)

Second statement is false

 

[Empennage]

The trannies like KP need to read that over and over again until it finally sinks in.

Sadly, I think it never will until the reality of their situation is upon them.

Good luck fellers.

I'm not internally trying to be rude or hurtful. It's when you continue to repeat something it begins to fall on to deaf ears. Just because your repeat it, doesn't make it true. Additionally, repeating something stalls debate. It a losing position. The next statement should be "I know you are but what am I."

Why not use flightinfo productively for everyone's benefit? I know I know.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Empennage

I'm not internally trying to be rude or hurtful. It's when you continue to repeat something it begins to fall on to deaf ears. Just because your repeat it, doesn't make it true. Additionally, repeating something stalls debate. It a losing position. The next statement should be "I know you are but what am I."

Why not use flightinfo productively for everyone's benefit? I know I know.

I intentionally stayed away from Flight info prior to the outcome of SL9. That's more than I can say for most. Now, it's a different story. If you (or guys like JT and KP) can't see the dire, real consequences that exist with continuing down this arrogant path then so be it. I'll gladly point out the mistakes that I see and they can continue to live in the alternative universe they live in. As I pointed out, at the end of it all I know I will still be a REAL SOUTHWEST PILOT. Hired, not acquired. One that worked here for over fifteen years who helped to provide the income needed to PURCHASE Airtran.

I gave up a couple of days ago on trying to have a rational discussion. That ship has sailed.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hose A. Jiminez
Just so I understand, you are saying we are without a doubt legally bound to combine the two companies?

Not according to Dan Katz, or Linden Hillman (aka. Todd Ortsheid). You know those guys don't you?

Affirmative (again)

Second statement is false

wow. good luck bro.

 

[Kharma Police]

wow. good luck bro.

Thanks?

 

[Empennage]

I intentionally stayed away from Flight info prior to the outcome of SL9. That's more than I can say for most. Now, it's a different story. If you (or guys like JT and KP) can't see the dire, real consequences that exist with continuing down this arrogant path then so be it. I'll gladly point out the mistakes that I see and they can continue to live in the alternative universe they live in. As I pointed out, at the end of it all I know I will still be a REAL SOUTHWEST PILOT. Hired, not acquired. One that worked here for over fifteen years who helped to provide the income needed to PURCHASE Airtran.

I gave up a couple of days ago on trying to have a rational discussion. That ship has sailed.

Duly noted

 

[Cometman]

Thanks?

Stick with the ice cream. You are starting to sound like you want to be Lear70 or Ty or PCL's replacement. You have a long way to go but keep it up and you might succeed.

 

[tomgoodman]

If there was zero discussion here life would be moving forward as planned.

How do we know that everything is not moving forward exactly as GK (and Herb) planned? They might be thinking several moves ahead of both pilot groups.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Affirmative (again)

Second statement is false

If you were indeed so misled by your lead legal counsel and your MEC chair, then I'd say you have a pretty rock solid DFR case in the event that this goes south for 2/3 (or all) of your pilot group.

My buddies in the unit tell me that the guys on your forum are beginning to understand what exactly may happen. Holding the MEC responsible and such.

Personally I hope this works out well for all of us.