IBT Airline Division/Local 357 Scorecard

[Grey Ghost]

Tell them to let us go away in peace. QUOTE]

In case you boys forgot, Absolutely NOBODY had any real interest in purchasing Frontier except for RAH and they are the ones keeping your cute little operation afloat! Start pumping out those resumes, boys!!!!

 

[StaySeated]

Tell them to let us go away in peace. QUOTE]

In case you boys forgot, Absolutely NOBODY had any real interest in purchasing Frontier except for RAH and they are the ones keeping your cute little operation afloat! Start pumping out those resumes, boys!!!!

Sorry to rain on your hate parade, but the Frontier of 2011 is not the same Frontier of 2008. First north american neo delivery slots at the price of a bombardier. There doesn't seem to be the same lack of interest today. Frontier will be separate this time next year. Thanks for your support!

 

[CrownandCoke]

Sorry to rain on your hate parade, but the Frontier of 2011 is not the same Frontier of 2008. First north american neo delivery slots at the price of a bombardier. There doesn't seem to be the same lack of interest today. Frontier will be separate this time next year. Thanks for your support!

and when you get out from the RAH umbrella, please don't forget us Lynx guys

 

[Grey Ghost]

Sorry to rain on your hate parade, but the Frontier of 2011 is not the same Frontier of 2008. First north american neo delivery slots at the price of a bombardier. There doesn't seem to be the same lack of interest today. Frontier will be separate this time next year. Thanks for your support!

You are absolutely right! However, there wasn't any order for NEO's until RAH came around! Let's not forget that.

 

[USMC319]

Hopefully the Lynx and the YX guys can climb aboard when this ship sails. I personally hope that all of the RAH pilots that tried to screw the F9 guys by stealing their seniority and taking "cuts" in the old career line get left to collect their RAH profit-sharing checks on their own.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Isn't it funny how reality gets distorted over time?:smash:

 

[ms_chq]

of course you would have accepted anything.... Because the worst you could have done was to have kept your existing jobs. You didn't have anything worth losing. F9 pilots were the only ones bringing anything to the table that anyone wanted. <<<no one wanted you! If there was someone, you will not be with rah.

now that almost a thousand of you have jumped ahead of me on the master seniority list, you tell me and others like me that we should just all get along and let bygones be bygones? <<< it is called binding arbitration. well screw you! <<<it shows you and the f9 pilots have no honor and integrity. had your captain job at a regional airline over 11 years ago. If i had wanted to be a captain at a regional airline with regional airline work rules and payscales, i wouldn't have bothered with the frontier interview almost 8 years ago <<< bec you can't get a job with any other legacy carrier, not to mention blowing off swa!, leaving my regional captain job and starting over at frontier. It's called career progression.<<< you never had any career progression when you filed for bankruptcy! If rah did not buy you, you have zero, nil, "0" career progression. Then back to the bottom where you belong.

given the outcome of the master seniority list, i can see where you see no value in the concept of career progression, but don't expect me to toss the concept aside as quickly as you'd like me to.

f9 pilots have no honor, no integrity, ungrateful, and liars!
you all seem to forget there are other employee groups other than pilots in your company who have lost any support and respect for all you! Remember that!

 

[Bolo]

f9 pilots have no honor, no integrity, ungrateful, and liars!
you all seem to forget there are other employee groups other than pilots in your company who have lost any support and respect for all you! Remember that!

We will take it under advisement. NOT! What planet are you living on? Have you been taking your meds?

 

[SizzleChest]

We will take it under advisement. NOT! What planet are you living on? Have you been taking your meds?

Yes to the meds, regular doses of REALITY! Just ask those push crews how thankful they are you took concessions.... and also ask the gate agents.... and maybe the GSE mechanics....

 

[ChinaClipper]

Another empty kitchen...

Xoxoxo

f9 pilots have no honor, no integrity, ungrateful, and liars!
you all seem to forget there are other employee groups other than pilots in your company who have lost any support and respect for all you! Remember that!

 

[SizzleChest]

Xoxoxo

finally a post that doesn't take 3 reads to get thru... but still cannot be comprehended! You really are confusing.

 

[OpenClimb]

Nothing anyone has said changes the fact that the IBT pilots are receiving a windfall as a result of the Eischen award.

Nothing anyone has said changes the fact that I and other similarly-situated Frontier pilots left various forms of crappy entry-level aviation jobs to start over at the bottom of the list as F9 newhires.

Nothing anyone has said changes the fact that the career expectations when hired at a crappy entry-level aviation job do not include flying an Airbus with mainline workrules and payscales.

As for my peers losing respect for me. Sorry no. I have friends in virtually every corner of the aviation world and they all agree that the F9 pilots are getting screwed by a wackado arbitrator and a bunch of IBT opportunists. Every one of my friends has offered to do what they can to help me get hired at their company. I haven't taken anyone up on any offers of help because (a) most of them aren't hiring anyway, (b) I'm not sure I want to start over at the bottom of anyone's list at this point, and (c) I have other options outside aviation and may pursue those, instead.

 

[StaySeated]

f9 pilots have no honor, no integrity, ungrateful, and liars!
you all seem to forget there are other employee groups other than pilots in your company who have lost any support and respect for all you! Remember that!

There are more than a few "thank you" cards in the FAPA office signed by gate agents, CSR's, scouts, and FA's that seem to conflict with your theory. When was the last time an IBT represented pilot group received a gift from another employee group? FAPA's relationship with everyone at Frontier, from the ramp all the way up to the DO, has NEVER been stronger than it is today.

I have yet to hear ONE complaint from any original Frontier employee in any department. In fact, everyone has shared unanimous support for us recently, especially since LOA 67.

 

[StaySeated]

and when you get out from the RAH umbrella, please don't forget us Lynx guys

You are actually in pretty good shape. Hopefully you will get displaced into the 190. The Almighty Scope Language in the Chautauqua CBA caused the IBT to overlook some trivial items like hourly pay, work rules, and vacancy bidding language.

The only new aircraft coming on property are the 190's, and the q's are going away along with some 145's and 170's. If you get displaced into the 190 you (and the throngs of other junior folks flying the highest paying aircraft) will be in great shape when this thing comes apart.

 

[flylike44]

Nothing anyone has said changes the fact that the IBT pilots are receiving a windfall as a result of the Eischen award.

Nothing anyone has said changes the fact that I and other similarly-situated Frontier pilots left various forms of crappy entry-level aviation jobs to start over at the bottom of the list as F9 newhires.

Nothing anyone has said changes the fact that the career expectations when hired at a crappy entry-level aviation job do not include flying an Airbus with mainline workrules and payscales.

As for my peers losing respect for me. Sorry no. I have friends in virtually every corner of the aviation world and they all agree that the F9 pilots are getting screwed by a wackado arbitrator and a bunch of IBT opportunists. Every one of my friends has offered to do what they can to help me get hired at their company. I haven't taken anyone up on any offers of help because (a) most of them aren't hiring anyway, (b) I'm not sure I want to start over at the bottom of anyone's list at this point, and (c) I have other options outside aviation and may pursue those, instead.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Republic's work rules and pay suck, goes without saying. But F9's work rules and pay aren't anything to crow about. And you just agreed to a concessionary LOA that eroded those "mainline work rules and payscales" even further (and that decision, no matter what you may think the endgame is for BB and CO, affected more employees than just the F9 pilots).