Airtran MEC voted no

[puddlejumper101]

I am 99.9% sure a arbitration ruling , regardless of who has the favor, would never be challenged by ATN pilots. It cant be any where near that proposal so we only can get better. Will SWAPA take the ball and go home until GK say's you have to share? Or stay and play two on two with Delta. Not looking for a argument just asking.

Hey I hope someone in Dallas is currently writing the "how to get over SLI agreement". Right now there is too much emotion, once arbitration is over hopefully cooler heads will prevail. I even caught myself yesterday and today being caught up emotionally with this...then I hung out with a two year old all day and that's when it hit me, somehow this will all get fixed and I have bigger fish to fry. Dude don't stress over it, especially since we have no say either way.

 

[canyonblue]

Hey I hope someone in Dallas is currently writing the "how to get over SLI agreement".

Or they could be reading "Fragmentation for Dummies"

 

[Sacha]

Sacha, you're an agnry tool.
I don't hate military guys, but if you don't think there is a lot of "waste" in DoD then talk to oyur FOs, they will fill you in.

Dude, you need spell check. So you have gone from telling one of our guys "he was just sitting around wasting fuel in Iraq while you were paying your dues suffering at Airtran". Then you challenge him as to whether or not he ever really was engaged in any serious air-to-air. Now it's just a matter of a little waste at the DOD. With arrogance and stupidity of that magnitude, I have to conclude that you must be one of the Valuejet Super Scabs.

 

[SWA/FO]

I haven't see a real tranny in MDW since 9/27/10. I think they all hide in the lower dungeon of the A terminal.

Some of you trannys talk as if 2's are wild, they arent....you are just holding a pair of 2's. The problem is the tranny insurgency! Its crazy.


Tranny insurgency



TRANNY ALPA MECTraining Video
:cartman:

 

[Hpilot]

Apples and oranges brother. If it's relative, I seriously doubt the list will ever be acted on, but good luck with that.

Bro, I understand. Look at the AWA/US arbitration, it still hasn't been acted on. Top 500 pilots of failing airline put on top and 4 year AWA FO's put ahead of 10+ yr US FO's, who were never furloughed. Just telling you what arbitration will most likely bring.

 

[bravodude]

We will abide by the arbitrator's award and move on as a combined company. That's what was agreed to at the beginning of this process, and honorable people honor their agreements, just as Captain Chase said in his latest update.

Thats the funniest statement that I have heard...AT, PCL128 and honorable in the same sentence.

 

[waveflyer]

The arrogance is SO top-notch!!

I just sat down with a big 'ol bag of popcorn for this show.

Good on ya AT group.....some at SWA need some humility.

And IF we sell the 717's to delta--- what will you be arguing for Bill?
Same or worse- you'll just be arguing that it's the size of your airplanes that bring pay to justify it- when our argument is that our business model brings pay that justifies it.

I wish that irony on you...
But I bet you'd just agree to outsource them to skywest

 

[Flycatcher99]

YGBFSM... Really???

It's a clear message on what was thought of the SIA, not of Southwest.

Who writes these things? Passive-Aggressive lately? lol

Lear, not trying to put words in Steve's mouth, but I'm pretty sure the implication here is that by turning down the AIP by a 7-1 vote (which is essentially throwing it back in SWA's face), one could deduce that the aai mec doesn't place much inherent value in a career at SWA, and thus SWA in general.

For all the bitching and moaning about insufficient relative seniority (ice cream) to go along with extravagant pay and benefits (cake and cookies), you would think aai pilots were being invited to work in some craptastic dump with bill lumbergh as their boss.

Thus, the comment about AAI's opinion of SWA.

 

[Formula 1]

Lear, not trying to put words in Steve's mouth, but I'm pretty sure the implication here is that by turning down the AIP by a 7-1 vote (which is essentially throwing it back in SWA's face), one could deduce that the aai mec doesn't place much inherent value in a career at SWA, and thus SWA in general.

For all the bitching and moaning about insufficient relative seniority (ice cream) to go along with extravagant pay and benefits (cake and cookies), you would think aai pilots were being invited to work in some craptastic dump with bill lumbergh as their boss.

Thus, the comment about AAI's opinion of SWA.

http://youtu.be/HZh9AL8yoo8

 

[ivauir]

We will abide by the arbitrator's award and move on as a combined company. That's what was agreed to at the beginning of this process, and honorable people honor their agreements, just as Captain Chase said in his latest update.

PCL,

Very gracious of you. You get a 50%+ raise and finish at #2 (regardless of integration methodology). i gently suggest you come off of that high horse. A fall from such a height could be harmful to a man of your stature.

Consider this fact: the only document in this process guaranteeing integration was SL9/LOA.

 

[Lear70]

Hey I hope someone in Dallas is currently writing the "how to get over SLI agreement". Right now there is too much emotion, once arbitration is over hopefully cooler heads will prevail. I even caught myself yesterday and today being caught up emotionally with this...then I hung out with a two year old all day and that's when it hit me, somehow this will all get fixed and I have bigger fish to fry. Dude don't stress over it, especially since we have no say either way.

Nominated FI post of the month.

That's what I've been trying to say all along... :beer:

 

[Muppets]

Can we all at least agree to get rid of those hideous "one Luv" lanyards now?

 

[SWA/FO]

one could deduce that the aai mec doesn't place much inherent value in a career at SWA, and thus SWA in general.

I believe that this is how it was received at the GO. Or at least a few of my friends have stated so.

:cartman:

 

[Music]

I believe that this is how it was received at the GO. Or at least a few of my friends have stated so.

:cartman:

I understand that 'perception' is everything, but can we grow up a little. It's not that personal guys. Jeez! The ATN MEC voted based on the AGREEMENT in front of them. That's it, nothing else! The vote against the agreement was NOT a referendum on a SW career, person or anything else. Heck, internally your own unions vote against agreements all the time, does that make them anti-SW?

 

[Fubijaakr]

OMG! Where to start in such a target rich environment?

You don't have to believe me, you can call me childish, a bully an a$$ I don't care but I promise you an arbitrated list will never see the light of day because there are a lot of people here that will have no problem contributing our own money to tie this up in the legal system for years to come!

No one has to call you anything, since all those qualities are self-revealed. And do you really want to go down the pickleball path? You want to poison your flight decks until the day the last one of you retires? Guess what? If all this vitriol gets to the public, you'll do more damage to your airline than Mr. Kelly can recover from. Then YOU might just be bought by AA. Consider that for a moment.

I just want to make sure I understand what your saying. You expect the number one pilot at AT to placed next to the number one pilot at SWA?

Relative seniority won't happen just as your proposed staple won't happen.
Here's how it will go down:

1. No bump/no flush
2. Pre-1993 SWA on list
3. Ratio the rest
4. Pay the arbitrator
5. Get over yourselves

Already getting ugly out on the line.

And what do you expect when you try to steal 30% of a person's earned seniority? They should kiss your butt and be thankful? You're kidding, right?

"No matter what the arbitrated result, we're gonna pull a USAir on 'ya and keep it in the courts forever".

Work for you?

Of course it does. Especially if he gets your seniority and your Captain upgrade.

Hate to break the bad news to the SWAPA gang, but it is likely that the arbitrator will place the #1 Airtran pilot at #3 or #4 on the MSL and then continue the ratio on down from there.

That won't happen. See above for arbitrated SLI.

Bears repeating...

Hope for American..? Out of touch aren't we..? At this point I'm just happy to sit back and watch the show.

Way out of touch. Pass the popcorn.

Dude, you are Wal-Mart...you bought K-Mart.

Yep. Just because they make slightly more money than the rest of us, they think their stuff don't stink. Guess what, Smurfs? The entire profession is laughing our tookus off at your greed and arrogance.

Especially the f/os who are on the high horse of "We were grateful to be on the bottom of the seniority list of the best airline in the world." Hate to break it to you, but you fly for a glorified regional in the entry level jet for 3rd world countries. You are just overpaid.

By the way...gear up.

Sorry to break it to you, but you won't be the big fish in the little pond anymore....your airline was purchased if you haven't heard.

Ah, the "hired not acquired" argument. LOL! The arbitrator will love that. You boys should really hang your non-existant hats on that one.

Hate to break it to you, but the arbitrator is not going to give a poop that Southwest's union thinks Southwest is the best airline out there. Most likely it will be relative seniority, with fences provided for differing equipment.

So, in other words, you fully agree with the position and actions of USAPA and the USAir East pilots?

You guys are really full of yourself.

Yes, Yes and they're full of something, but it isn't themselves.

Thanks brother, it took a few minutes of stabbing my hand.

Hey, you should wear that "Delta and Alaska suck" badge the next time you come looking for a jumpseat ride.

The arrogance is SO top-notch!!

They're #1. Or haven't you heard.

Not me Red.....when your boys bust out a stapler "or else"......the BS is floating to the top watching you SWA guys get your panties in a wad....You all knew It was a POS from the day you floated it hoping the AT group would buy the veiled "man behind the holding company" threats and now ya gotta actually prove to an arbitrator that you are so special!!!

Defensive? Having a Midol Moment? you'd never know it by the "rational" threats being tossed out by SWA types.

Watching the SWA f/os pee themselves...Priceless.