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[CLARKGRSWOLD]

Here is a spin... AA just corner 2k pilots from eagle with the mainline carrott. That is 2 thousand less pilots applying to other carriers. Less competition for all of us.

Thank you !!

 

[e=mc2]

You mean 2,000 applying who already have a number.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

The great thing is... AA will still hire 70% off the street too.. The pilot pool just got even smaller for the legacies

 

[zawillif]

I already got an email from pilotpool.com that's telling me to apply to Eagle ASAP to take advantage of the flow through. Looks like they're definitely using it as an incentive to attract more candidates.

 

[laxsf3ca]

wrong

not 70% from the street, 50% from the street, thanks for playing

bye-bye now

 

[goahead]

Thought it was 35%???

 

[Bruno82]

Every pilot on Eagle property as of 10/11/2011 will be offered employment at AA. A minimum of 35% per class will be Eagle pilots. If Eagle furloughs, then the minimum will be raised to 50% per class. Eagle can limit the pilots they let go to a maximum of 25 per class. This is after the 240 flow throughs go and the 824 pilots from Eagle go at 50% per class.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

not 70% from the street, 50% from the street, thanks for playing

bye-bye now

Oh sorry.. Like I said.. We all appreciate it...AMR has had that carrot in front of you guys forever. It's kinda like that stripper that keeps teasing you...

 

[paid4training]

Yea that's great, when they furlough after the sale in a year all these pilots will be on the street unable to give up there eagle number because of the promise.

 

[Bruno82]

Why would they be unable to give up their Eagle number? Also, FWIW, if Eagle furlough's because of AA taking other feed, AA is "supposed" to "negotiate" preferential hiring for those pilots furloughed at the airline taking over feed.

 

[flythere]

Yet another reason for their financial woes!! Look at all the training costs associated with this flow-thru!

For every Capt AA takes from Eagle, it triggers two training events at Eagle, not to mention all the movement at AA, furloughs returning, pilots switching airframes, upgrades etc, Over the course of a year, that's a lot of money, which AMR does not have!!!

I think we all want AA to survive and be profitable, but "come on man"

 

[i fly boxes]

Yes but once Eagle is spun off and then fully sold, that is no longer american's problem. Also, the bean counters wont see this because they will see New Eagle captain making low pay as opposed to senior eagle captain driving the company down with his high pay.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

This is one of the many reasons this airline career is trash. No one wants to make where they are better. You actually buy the 'senior captains are too expensive' drivel management spews?

All I hear is: "I'm going to Delta/American/Fedex/etc." Funny thing is, five years later, there you are, in the same seat.

 

[Snapperhead]

Yet another reason for their financial woes!! Look at all the training costs associated with this flow-thru!

For every Capt AA takes from Eagle, it triggers two training events at Eagle, not to mention all the movement at AA, furloughs returning, pilots switching airframes, upgrades etc, Over the course of a year, that's a lot of money, which AMR does not have!!!

I think we all want AA to survive and be profitable, but "come on man"

How is that AMR's problem if Eagle is dissolved or spun off? As far as AMR spending money on training costs, many pilots will be retiring soon. Therefore, they are going to have to upgrade, train furloughs/new-hires, and re-train for different equipment anyways.

 

[Varmint]

Yet another reason for their financial woes!! Look at all the training costs associated with this flow-thru!

For every Capt AA takes from Eagle, it triggers two training events at Eagle, not to mention all the movement at AA, furloughs returning, pilots switching airframes, upgrades etc, Over the course of a year, that's a lot of money, which AMR does not have!!!

I think we all want AA to survive and be profitable, but "come on man"

So when an Eagle guy gets hired at an airline other than AA does it trigger less than two training events at Eagle? I don't think so. I think AA is being proactive and smart with the information they have on retirement vs. guys currently in the training pipeline. If the Eagle guys who are going to leave don't go to AA, they WILL go somewhere else. That will deprive AA of needed pilots and still create the same number of training events.

 

[xjhawk]

So if American sells Eagle, will the flow continue? I mean I was not told that Mesaba's flow had no legal binding statements to hold Delta to keeping the flow (Compass's did). I used to have a flow spot, now I do not. Can the same thing happen to Eagle?

 

[DGdaPilot]

So if American sells Eagle, will the flow continue? I mean I was not told that Mesaba's flow had no legal binding statements to hold Delta to keeping the flow (Compass's did). I used to have a flow spot, now I do not. Can the same thing happen to Eagle?

No it is in binding on any and all successors of Eagle and AA.

 

[flythere]

AA hires Eagle capt to 737= 1 training event

Eagle F/O upgraded to replace said capt= 1 training event

Eagle hires new F/O off street to replace F/O= 1 training event

Don't know what the training costs are, but AMR just spent a lot of money with all that training, plus lost productivity with these guys off the line!

AMR hires someone off the street at AA, only one training event.

Eagle hires someone off the street, one training event.

You multiply that by how many hundreds of training events, it will add up eventually!

Alaska Air group has started something different with Horizon Air, they are hiring F/O's from Horizon straight to Alaska, bypassing a lot of experienced and qualified Capt's at QX. The rationale is to cut the training costs and down time during training.

Not sure if it will work, but a bean counter on the second floor has run the numbers and can see a cost savings, and as you know, it's all about the Benjamins these days!!!

 

[FO 4 Life]

AA hires Eagle capt to 737= 1 training event

Eagle F/O upgraded to replace said capt= 1 training event

Eagle hires new F/O off street to replace F/O= 1 training event

Don't know what the training costs are, but AMR just spent a lot of money with all that training, plus lost productivity with these guys off the line!

AMR hires someone off the street at AA, only one training event.

Eagle hires someone off the street, one training event.
You forgot to add the training event for the FO upgrading to captain to replace one who left. Still 3 training cycles any way you cut it.

You multiply that by how many hundreds of training events, it will add up eventually!

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[Varmint]

.....

what he said.

 

[Bruno82]

The two training cycle issue is not really relevant. CAs are going to be leaving Eagle to go one place or another. It'll create a two cycle even either way.

 

[chjack]

the jealousy directed at the eagle guys from this deal is pretty hilarious!

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

the jealousy directed at the eagle guys from this deal is pretty hilarious!

Mad props. Not jealous... This is only the start of things to come.. I want to work for a legacy... Now I have 2k less pilots to compete with..

 

[CFI2766]

There isn't any guarantee that there will even be an Eagle this time next year...

 

[centralpilot]

There isn't any guarantee that there will even be an Eagle this time next year...

The same could be said for most airlines, especially regionals...

 

[Whydoitry]

I guess I'm kinda slow, but how is it AA's problem or cost if Eagle has to train a CA and an FO? AMR will not own AE.

 

[flythere]

hmm, ok?

 

[Sy-bill]

The same could be said for most airlines, especially regionals...

But at this point in time maybe more so for Eagle than most others.

 

[CorpCaptain]

I have no real dog in this fight, but why would AA want some new hire Eagle guy hired this month when they will have thousands on the street with more experience, international time and time in type. I get the flow through, but I can't imagine them hiring some 2000hr boy wonder when they'll have the thousands of qualified (and current) pilots at their disposal. Guess nobody will know till the time comes-Good luck to all
Corp

 

[Sy-bill]

I have no real dog in this fight, but why would AA want some new hire Eagle guy hired this month when they will have thousands on the street with more experience, international time and time in type. I get the flow through, but I can't imagine them hiring some 2000hr boy wonder when they'll have the thousands of qualified (and current) pilots at their disposal. Guess nobody will know till the time comes-Good luck to all
Corp

My guess is that they risked this agreement to settle an agreement to make the separation of Eagle from AMR cleaner. They are risking that other potential events will not allow this to happen.

If I was a mid-level to junior pilot at Eagle, I would assume that there is no way this flow thru will happen for me. And prepare accordingly. Like try to get a job at Skywest or Pinnacle who are the two most likely to get the feed contract from AMR. They are pros at getting contracts. Eagle, zero experience.