SWAPA might like SWA proposal

[Ace McCoy]

MVdV just emailed all of us to stop with the rumors- there will be plenty of time to debate when the ENTIRE package is presented. It's so predictable that PCL would TRY and torpedo this deal it's not funny. But here's the thing: we, on all sides, are responsible for whether or not we partake and get influenced by him. Waiting sucks, but patience is a virtue.

It is not PCL leaking and trying to torpedo the deal. He said he is out of the country now. I know a ton of details and none of the came from or even through PCL.

There are others trying for the ol torpedo though. Don't want to comment further.

 

[Ace McCoy]

How many did you guys hire after 9/27/10?

Approx 50 from what I've heard

 

[Empennage]

I would hold off boasting about flying into ATL will the red belly baby gups are headed over spondivits.

Open till 4 am!

 

[waveflyer]

It is not PCL leaking and trying to torpedo the deal. He said he is out of the country now. I know a ton of details and none of the came from or even through PCL.

There are others trying for the ol torpedo though. Don't want to comment further.

Fair enough.
That's a good place to be. I'll be finding my own Mai tai's here now. Good luck all.

 

[Lear70]

Approx 50 from what I've heard

71 if you include the class that was already in school and not yet online. I don't think those guys were included in the snapshot date since they weren't online and current.

There were 3 classes of roughly 25 each, one in August starting with #1,671, one in Sep, and one in Oct if memory serves, finishing up at T.R. at Sen. # 1742.

That according to my sen list as of 1/1/11.

 

[Lear70]

Fair enough.
That's a good place to be. I'll be finding my own Mai tai's here now. Good luck all.

Correct, he's on a cruise and has internet access but no phone (at least, not at cruise ship phone rates).

 

[Daddy]

Heh heh... yeah, it's a lot of info and I don't have the exact ratios, but as explained to me, it works a little like this:

Your top pre-93 hires are on top and untouched.

Our #1 guy starts just below them and it's ratio'd pretty evenly for the '93 hires and our senior CA's (I don't know how many), but we end up with the top half of our CA's ratio'd in with your post-'93 CA's.

The next half of our CA's get ratio'd in with your top F/O's.

The top 150 of our F/O's get ratio'd in with your BOTTOM F/O's.

The remaining 650 AAI F/O's get stapled to the bottom of the pre-9/27 list, starting about year 6 F/O for us and lower.

Your post-9/27 new-hires are stapled below them. Our post-9/27 new hires are stapled at the very bottom.

Those are VERY rough numbers, but present a good broad picture of how it went. The average seniority gain on a combined list on the SWA side is 6%, the average seniority loss on the AAI side is 22%, with spikes among our senior CA's (up to 35%) and senior F/O's (up to 28% - mine is a 26% relative seniority loss).

edit: my first post said our "least amount" of seniority loss was 22%. It's not, that's the AVERAGE seniority loss. They said something about our mid-level CA's take the smallest loss, but I don't remember the exact number, sorry.

Isn't this essentially DOH minus 4 years? What's different and why would it change from a DOH minus 4 years convention if based roughly on that?

 

[Nindiri]

I can't tell you how comforting it is to know that KG and the Gang of Five are on the same page regarding this agreement.

 

[MRW]

so a gain in seniority, upgrades at the expense of AT FO's is not good enough? Oh wait but the AT FO's get a big raise, so not getting weekends or holidays off anymore is a trade off. You might be able to put a value on these things with your family, but I don't.

uke:

Im not saying there isnt a price to pay for AT F.O.s but coming to SWA FO pay is the same as you upgrading to Capt at AT...you would have to work weekends when you upgrade there as well. You will get your "UPGRADE" when this deal is inked and then you will get your second "UPGRADE" when you move to the left seat here. If we look at it this way instead of worring which hand pushes the throttles up then you have to admit I have a point.

 

[ATLplt]

Your post-9/27 new-hires are stapled below them. Our post-9/27 new hires are stapled at the very bottom.

Actually, the last guys on the ISL are native SWA pilots. The AirTran guys hired after 9/27 were hired before the last SWA pilots hired this year. (Not that it really makes that much of a difference.)