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The 3000 dollars a month difference goes toward Single Malt Scotch and mustache wax.

It was interesting when the ALPA staff workers sued ALPA national over their pay and work rules. You can't make this stuff up!
 
The officers don't work in the Herndon office most of the time. They are almost always at the downtown office, a long way from a northern Virginia apartment. A decent two bedroom apartment in a nice neighborhood near the downtown office goes for quite a bit more than the $3k you were paying in Virginia.

Thanks for your informational responses. I don't think your union officers need DC apartments because they are really really expensive but it's your union not mine. I would never say you shouldn't be a member of it. I will never ever again pay for the "ALPA presidents" pension.
 
Hell I've seen more than 3k worth of scotch go down the throats of some thristy pilots at some After MEC meetings.......Oh Who's go the bill??? Don't worry about it, dues are paying for this one....gotta get what we are worth....all that hard work and all.

Please, you paint the picture that being at the top of ALPA is a drag,, on your life and your family, it's a definite hardship, and these boys are slaving away day in and day out in DC for the greater good of pilots, It's really a tough lifestyle and it's hard hard hard hard work. Long hours, realative crappy pay (as those gov't forms are juiced to by anti union groups to make it look like they get decent money) and really in the long run, they are there for the humanity of making our careers a better place, protecting all the work our forfathers brought forth in the early years of aviation.


Ok now that I've puked a little in my mouth. Name me the number of ALPA presidents, (hell even the lower pukes) that have endured the harder than line flying jobs of serving the mothership, that have returned to line flying after their term has been up???? Hmmmmmmmmm....not too many there I betcha.....or like one or two I know, they come back and suddenly medical out, or LOA out...to avoid being subjective to the ******************** they gave their constiuents.........

PCL STHUP you are a fairly pathetic lap dog for ALPO........do they buy you girlfriends or something?
 
Back to the trial. The defense rested today with an aired video deposition of Randy Babbitt. Plaintiffs will present a rebuttal witness on Monday followed immediately by closing arguments then it's up to the jury.
 
Alpa already lost a DFR to the united pilots last year to the tune of 43 million dollars. We can only guess as to the dollar amount of this one. It should be several times as large , of course they will appeal it im sure after they lose this one. I cant wait to see the look on all the pro alpa cool-aid drinkers when this happens. fire away!
 
You would be surprised at how ALPA's national officers live. It's hardly a luxury lifestyle. The BOD sets limits on their expenses based on average housing costs in the DC area, so their apartments are far from luxurious. Cars? Sorry, but "Beemers" aren't allowed. Has to be an American or Canadian made car built by union workers, and the monthly payment has a pretty low limit. A typical car would be a Ford SUV, or something similar. There are occasional nice meals for special occasions, but they aren't the norm. In general, the ideas of luxury that people have in their heads for ALPA officers are nothing but fantasy. These guys have a crappy work schedule, rarely get to spend time with their families, sometimes for weeks at a time, and live in one of the highest cost of living areas in the country with strict limits in place on their expenses.


Didn't you pay-for-training at Gulfstream?
 
Alpa already lost a DFR to the united pilots last year to the tune of 43 million dollars.

ALPA didn't lose any DFR case last year. ALPA settled a case at UAL, but ALPA didn't pay anything even remotely close to the number your've quoted.
 
ALPA didn't lose any DFR case last year. ALPA settled a case at UAL, but ALPA didn't pay anything even remotely close to the number your've quoted.

..."and yes I am a grad of Gulfsteam"
 
United pilots win $44 million union retirement suit

Published on January 22, 2010
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The Air Line Pilots Association International, in a major financial setback, agreed to pay $44 million to settle a lawsuit brought by a group of senior United Airlines pilots, according to an attorney for the pilots.
With the window for appeals passed, the settlement approved in December by a U.S. District Court judge in Chicago is final, said Myron Cherry, the lawyer. The United pilots objected to the way their local ALPA leadership council chose to split up a retirement payment in United’s bankruptcy reorganization.
Cherry said ALPA is expected to make payment within weeks. After legal fees and expenses, the 2,200 plaintiffs in the class-action complaint brought more than three years ago are expected to receive a total of $28 million.
A spokeswoman for ALPA, which represents 50,000 commercial airline pilots, declined to comment. The settlement potentially is a serious blow to the union, which already is facing reduced dues income amid airline failures, furloughs and lower pilot pay rates.
Although ALPA has a large insurance policy, its deductible is believed to be multiple millions of dollars, said one person familiar with the matter. On the other hand, if the plaintiffs had persuaded a jury to award them their claimed damages of $200 million, the union could have been bankrupted.
ALPA had $100 million in net assets at the end of 2008, according to its most recent financial report filed with the Department of Labor. That was down from $132.1 million at the beginning of 2008. ALPA took in total receipts, including dues income, of $233.5 million that year, and it disbursed $238.1 million.
Other airlines that sought protection from their creditors in recent years have terminated some of their employee pension plans without this sort of litigation. US Airways Group Inc. jettisoned all of its plans in two bankruptcy reorganizations.
Delta Air Lines Inc., in bankruptcy, terminated its pilot pension plan. But it and Northwest Airlines Corp., which Delta acquired last year, successfully lobbied for changes in pension law so they could freeze but retain existing plans and amortize their underfunding over multiple years.
The crux of this dispute arose when United’s Chicago-based parent UAL Corp. was in bankruptcy proceedings and said it couldn’t afford to keep its four employee pension plans, which were underfunded by $9.8 billion. The plans ultimately were assumed by the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., which now makes payments to United retirees.
United and its employees agreed to new 401(k)-type pension plans and the airline gave the workers convertible notes to help make up for shortfalls they would experience when the PBGC took over the pension payments. ALPA and United agreed that the pilots would receive $550 million in convertible notes.
The local union branch that represents United’s then-6,600 active pilots debated how to allocate the proceeds from the sale of the notes and ultimately voted to use a method that would reward all the pilots.
The plaintiffs contended that method provided a windfall to the airline’s junior pilots, who were the majority and controlled the local union leadership, at the expense of the senior aviators.
The junior pilots lost little or none of the benefits they had earned under the terminated plan. But the 2,200 senior pilots, who already had accrued sizable benefits based on their higher incomes and longer years of service, had much money on the line.
The suit claimed the union took more than $200 million from the plaintiffs for benefits they already had earned in their pension plan and gave it to junior pilots for benefits they hadn’t earned, a breach of ALPA’s duty of fair representation.
The judge last July denied motions by ALPA and intervenor United for summary judgment in the case. Days before the dispute was set to go to a jury trial last October, ALPA agreed to settle, said Cherry, one of the plaintiffs’ lawyers.
While United intervened in the case, it isn’t on the hook for any money. “There are no claims against United,” the company said in a statement.
John Mansfield Jr., a 27-year United pilot who retired in 2005, was the first named plaintiff in the lawsuit. He receives about $27,000 a year in retirement benefits from the PBGC, he said.
Because of a law–now changed–that pilots must retire at age 60, their PBGC payments were reduced from what they would have gotten if they retired at 65. Before United jettisoned the pilot plan, Mansfield said he had expected to retire on as much as $80,000 a year.
He thinks his part of the $28 million settlement will amount to about 12% to 13% of what he would have received in note proceeds had the union adopted what the senior pilots considered fair.
He said that probably will be the case for the others in the class. Cherry, the attorney, said the payment formula will lead to varying results. A handful of the pilots will receive six-figure one-time payments. Many are in line for payments of $25,000 to $35,000 and some will receive much less, he said.
Mike Glawe, a former ALPA leader at United and still an active pilot, said the settlement “isn’t going to reestablish anybody’s retirement security.” But he, another of the named plaintiffs, said it sends a message: “A political majority still has to fairly represent the interests of a political minority.”
Read the original article from Tribune News Services
 
PCL,

Just cut your losses and quit while you're behind. You are looking even more foolish the longer you keep it up.

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